You can still support your club without lining the pockets of the owners, and paying the highest ticket prices in world football
Improved under ENIC? The football operation has won one poxy League Cup under their miserable 22 year tenure. In the 30 years before the misery of Sugar, this club won 12 trophies, 3 of them European, not too bad a return for a club that you see as so far down the pecking order. I am also not on record as not caring about the morality of the owners, I want new owners who are fit and proper, and who have the ambition to build a successful football team. Ps: the record books don`t mention who the owners are.
we are not trophy laden or anything close, especially in the PL era…so by default no Spurs fan is ‘only caring about trophies’ We are success starved regardless of who owns other clubs, we at THFC are success starved for what we are as a club. So some feel it…others have accepted and adapted to the new boundaries out of our reach that have been set by Oligarch’s n sheiks. No one can begrudge a Spurs fan who is wanting silverware…no one can have an issue with a Spurs fan who is disgruntled at the fact that under this ownership we have won 1 trophy in over 20 years therefore they crave silverware. Either we are a proud club with a rich history or we are not and if we are….many firsts in the game if I’m not mistaken, many achievements some of us, most of us still reminisce about often on these pages…then it’s always going to be a burning desire…unless your lines have been re drawn through the actions of other clubs.
Some other clubs have been allowed to cheat. So it comes down to whether we want Spurs to cheat as well in order to keep up. I don't. The current owners are doing as well as possible without cheating as far as I can see. Given the really low base from which they started.
The point is that Scholar and Sugar destroyed the prospects of the club and caused us to miss out on the Champions League funding (not that we were often top 4 even before that). ENIC have made us regular CL participants despite that. The model that used to win one trophy every 6 or 7 years no longer works.
Not by implying other fans shouldn't go/ pay for tickets to games because of the owners then saying any true fan would support the club regardless of owner... It's a contradiction. I assume you just want Spurs to have another Chelsea/ City/ PSG and now Newcastle type owner(?) but it's worth noting that about 99% of owners in football aren't like those, so it's likely that if ENIC sold Spurs you'd more than likely get another owner you don't like.
Couldn't agree more. Such an important point. Chelsea and ManC shouldn't exist in their current form. Take their trophies out of the equation and there are a lot more to go round! And also, as has been said, be careful what you wish for. I also wouldn't welcome a nation state owner such as a middle east country, in fact I would walk away. Also there are plenty of other owners that would have done less (yes, really) and, for example, we wouldn't have the stadium, which is rather nice I think!
I think this is the sad catch 22 truth I was talking about earlier. The game has changed almost unrecognisably since the time when a mid to top half team could expect to win a trophy at least once per squad cycle. The lines have been redrawn. First by the advent of the PL itself, then by Chelsea, then City, now Newcastle and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the likes of Villa or Leeds are next. People talk about the PL as the 'most competitive in the world'. Maybe it is, I don't follow every other professional league. And maybe for a period between 2012-17, it was. Six seasons, six different champions. Since then, City have won it four out of five attempts. That doesn't sound particularly competitive to me. With four exceptions (Everton, Portsmouth, Wigan and Leicester), the FA cup has been won by the same five teams every season since the PL started. The League Cup clung on to its variety for significantly longer, but in recent seasons? City have won it six times in the last nine seasons. The quality of the league is rising year on year, but the open field of competition is narrowing.
I’ve said it before in a much longer post a while back. But I don’t think there’s another club that has embarked on the kind of road Spurs are on. Without a change in ownership. Breaking into the establishment requires a club to generate massive amounts of money. And a lot of luck in terms of timing. English football is a different beast from what it was 10 years ago. The mid-table teams have closed the gap on the pitch as more TV money in the game has enabled them to invest in the same back room operations (scouting, nutrition, better coaches etc) that used to be the sole preserve of the Sky 4. We smashed that cartel by crashing the CL party and then City came along with their money and made it a big 6. Now we have Newcastle and maybe others too. While the mid-table has converged, the gap to the very top remains high. By dint of chance of timing or huge investment by new owners, there are a set of clubs in England which will likely always be ok average the higher finishers in the league. Being part of that is no mean feat from Spurs’s position. We all want more in terms of trophies but I’m not one of those fans who is willing to sell the soul of the club to a state or to the ESL to achieve that. One league cup being ran the way we are is worth more to me than 5 league titles if we were bought by Abu Dhabi, or whoever.
We have one of the best managers in the world and he wants to stay for many years if possible. That IMO is the best chance Spurs has to achieve something special. As others have said, it won't be easy with City, Chelsea and Newcastle spending big to attract the top players and there are only so many trophies available. It would help if fans showed a little patience and stop the knee jerk reactions at every setback. Perhaps remember that we are in the process of building a side that can compete and the reason it takes a long time is down more than anything else to the constant changing of managers. Stop building false hopes and then moaning when your construction fails to come to fruition.
How long should we wait before we’re allowed to be critical? 1961 since a league title, 1991 since a domestic cup unless you start including the secondary league cup as a major competition (it’s not)
To dismiss the league Cup as a secondary cup seems like us dismissing the European winners Cup and the UEFA / EL Cup. The league Cup is a major trophy imho. May not be up there with the FA Cup but dismissing it seems weird to me.
Can't see any evidence of either of these points! If Conte commits to Spurs in the longer term, I agree we ought to add our support. However, I'm not seeing anything from him suggesting he WANTS to stay beyond this season.
You just have to listen to his words. He said it not me. If you do not accept the evidence of his record then I can say no more to convince you.
Your choice of words is stange. Who is restraining you? You have clearly displayed your entitled lack of patience. I dont see where you are going with your views. Where is this mythical manager who will deliver your demands for silverware?
I know what he has said but I’m not convinced by his words. There are reasons why either he or Levy are not yet committed to signing a new contract. Until this happens, I can’t fully support Conte especially with his ridiculous team selections and tactics. If I knew he was here for the long term, I would be inclined to support him more. I’m just not prepared to invest in him if he could leave us for Juventus or the likes very soon.
Conte said the club would want to see where we were at the end of the season before contracts were offered and signed. That sounds very sensible to me.
If I was Conte I wouldn’t sign until after the window I’d first see how much Levy backs me in January it would be foolish of Conte to play his only hand prematurely and risk Levy pulling a fast one in the window by not giving him what he needs.
Nobody is restraining me but you say fans should show patience instead of having knee jerk reactions? I’ve been a Spurs fan for a long time and would like (like all fans I assume) to see some silverware won instead of project after project and being told that it will all come good eventually.
