The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 3rd November)

Good Morning. It's Thursday 3rd November, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road

Milan may cash in on de Ketelaere after poor start

Leeds and Newcastle Utd have been put on high alert after rumours that AC Milan may choose to cash in on Charles de Ketelaere. The 21yo has struggled since arriving at the San Siro in the Summer. In 899 minutes of game time in all competitions, he has yet to score, and with a 'Whoscored' rating of just 6.58 has dropped to 17th (out of 26) in their squad rankings.

Leeds spent several weeks chasing the Belgium star, but ultimately missed out, as the lure of Milan was greater than Leeds. It wasn't a straight forward transfer. The Italian Champions had trouble raising the
€32m fee (plus €3m in add-ons), raising concerns that they cannot afford to carry any passengers that aren't performing.

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Adams - not inclined to keep his mouth shut

Tyler Adams is 'not inclined to keep his mouth shut'; that's according to Leeds Utd journalist Phil Hay. The former Chief Football Writer for the YEP revealed that when the USA International midfielder arrived at Elland Road, he already had a swagger about him, as if he was already part of the Elland Road furniture, albeit, overnight.

His 'aggression and positive, obstinate personality' was a fundamental reason why Marsch was keen to work with the USA International for a third time. Hay also intimated that Marsch and Adams were alike in many ways, further strengthening the bond they have. According to Hay:-

"The players at Leeds picked up on that self-confidence almost as soon as Adams signed. There was no settling-in period or nervous integration; more a swagger that made him feel like part of the dressing room’s furniture overnight."

"People who know him and Jesse Marsch talk about them being alike, about their shared traits and attitudes. They are fundamental to the fact that Marsch has worked with Adams at three different clubs. Marsch rates his drive, his aggression and his positive, obstinate personality." "He accepts that Adams knows his own mind and is not inclined to keep his mouth shut. He finds something infectious about the midfielder looking at reputations and shrugging his shoulders."

"When Adams joined Leeds from RB Leipzig in July, he was asked in his first interview about similarities between him and Marsch. “I’m more competitive,” he said, and deep down he was serious." “People who know him and Jesse Marsch talk about them being alike, about their shared traits and attitudes. They are fundamental to the fact that Marsch has worked with Adams at three different clubs.

“Marsch rates his drive, his aggression and his positive, obstinate personality. He accepts that Adams knows his own mind and is not inclined to keep his mouth shut. He finds something infectious about the midfielder looking at reputations and shrugging his shoulders.”

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Marsch signings all coming good

During the Summer, many fans were highly critical of Jesse Marsch for signing players he had already worked with, or were part of the Red Bull franchise, but in reality it seems to be paying off.

Tyler Adams, Brenden Arronsen and Marc Roca have all hit the ground running since arriving at Elland Road during the Summer. Even Rasmus Kristensen is beginning to show his worth. His recently improved performances have seen his Whoscored' rating rocket up to 6.84, leaving him 2nd in the entire squad. In essence, Leeds made no bad signings during the Summer. Sinisterra looks a handful, but has been unlucky with injury whilst Gyabi, Perkins and Gnonto will undoubtably come good in the future.

Would it be fair to say the the early signs show that recruitment under Marsch has been a lot more successful, than under his predecessor?

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Morning all

CDK didn’t want to sign for us, it seems like we had a lucky escape. I hope if we are serious about trying to sign him it’s at a huge knockdown price.

Arronsen was nearly signed when we had Bielsa, he was the target before Jesse. If you’re a Jesse fan you’ll say signings are better, if a Bielsa fan you’d say he was undone by injuries and point to the promotion and first season back in the PL

Gyabi Gnonto and Perkins will undoubtedly come good? Sorry no assurances, we have said the same two seasons back with the likes of Joffy and Greenwood but the jury is still out.

With the current squad, we’re not so reliant on single players and the whole system breaking down with a couple of key ones missing

 

Looks like we dodged a bullet with CDK then. Because if he can't handle the Italian league he would be ****ed here IMO

Morning all

 

Morning all

The thing about CDK is good players don’t become bad players overnight. It sounds like he isn’t happy with the system, and sure he will come good. He has to force his way past some very good players and Giroud for example is earning another contract even at his age, so CDK needs to step up now. We wasted so much time on him and Gakpo and didn’t spend enough time on reality strikers. As Emu or Milky said elsewhere, we could have signed Martin Terrier for £20m but didn’t. Fabrizio Romano saying Leeds would have to pay £43m now. We gambled and lost and even lost out on the striker in France we sent a private jet for as he wanted to go elsewhere. 4 strikers we dipped out on and ended up with a last ditch Willy

 

I suppose he wanted the Milan lifestyle,food and fashion..... someone should have told him the sunset in Chapletown is something to behold ......anyway his cdk moniker is better suited to selling aftershave

 

That's all we need, another striker who can't score

 

I think a few of us had misgivings about CDK at the time, both attitude and being a tad over rated. Looks like the doubts were correct.

 

nothing to do with being a marsch fan or a bielsa fan

marsch left Leipzig in December… we were talking to him as potential bielsa replacement

anybody seriously believe that the Aaronson link back then was unconnected to marsch? I’m pretty sure I flagged the connection at the time, before marsch was made manager.

reality was we were in the market for a high energy attacking midfielder - and aaronson would fit the bill for bielsa’s needs and marsch’s… but jm had worked with him twice and signed him for Salzburg. Doesn’t take much to join the dots.

 

I have said that in my opinionCDK is not strong enough for the PLSO LETS SOME ELSE HAVE HIM
Good Morning from a cold damp Bardsey

 

Neil Warnock the master manager has said Ayling and Cooper are not good enough. So thats that then

 

Marschs signings have all been great. Thankfully were not dependent on that other useless twat with the four letters doing the recruitment anymore. Long may it continue

 

CDK is very young still… not the first player to not hit the ground running in a new club new country.

I don’t think he said he wouldn’t sign for us, just had a preference for champions league and Milan. Not sure why people get so defensive about these things to be honest. He looked a genuine talent to me but whether he’d be up to the physicality of the PL and whether he’s a bit of a mummy’s boy (hadn’t she moved to Milan to make his bed or something ) and not yet matured between the ears, I can’t say.

He was clearly viewed as an ‘investment’ - which I get and I’d be happy still to take him for a cut price deal - but my preference would be on a safer bet to deliver now which is why I liked Martin terrier in the summer. Like gakpo, guess that ship has now sailed.

 

Morning all.

We're odds on at the weekend with the bookies and also the shortest price we've been all season for a victory

 

Well that's that then Leeds just don't do being a strong favourite, never have never will.
Afternoon all

 

It has everything to do with being a Jesse or Bielsa fan. The question was “is it fair to say Jesse has made better signings”.

That depends on which side of the fence you are sitting on. Our leading scorer was a Bielsa signing, Bielsa signing Raphinha brought us survival in the PL and a big cash in. Bielsa signed our best CB in Koch.

Bielsa signed us Firpo and Llorente, he gave Forshaw a new contract, he signed Kiko, it really is all down to who you think the better coach is

We finished 9th under Bielsa before injuries hit, Jesse was useless at getting the best out of those players or did Jesse inherit garbage? See what I mean, it all depends on which argument you want to make.

We all thought Llorente and Koch were better than Ben White during the first season, I think it’s too early to judge the current crop

 

Sinisterri out till after World Cup

 

I wasn’t picking up on your general point… I was picking up on one of the examples you gave.

I don’t consider myself a ‘fan’ of any manager. I’m very grateful for what bielsa did for us, but not blind to his shortcomings. Re Marsch I hope he turns things round, and if he doesn’t I hope the next guy does.

I don’t think your opinion has to be connected to who the better coach is. You can think one manager is better at one part of his job and another manager better at other parts. In any case, the DOF, Orta is responsible for the signings… it seems he’s receptive to suggestions from the coach which I think is a good thing. With the exception of Dan James it’s not clear whether any bielsa era signings were actively chosen by bielsa but it seems clear he was picky over who he agreed to.

With Marsch it’s patently clear he influenced the 3 signings he’s worked with before but no connection to the others.

At first appearance the ‘success rate’ looks higher since marsch came but I agree it’s too early to be definitive.

And not all of us were saying Koch and llorente were upgrades on Ben white.

 

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Another sick note that's twice already.

 

Sheff utd did just as well first season with a far smaller budget than us.