Still fuming from the other night but feel we have a few points of view to go through on our present position. Right now with 7 minutes left to play Forest are beating Liverpool. Forest now 2nd bottom with 9 points which just happens to be the same as Leeds. We were beaten by the bottom of the league with a dismal, shameful performance and why the hell did we make 4 changes from a formula that should have beaten Arsenal. Why? Shouldn't you think that was good so I will stick with that, but no he made 4 changes and to say he made those changes because if Fulham. Wtf, why surely go with what works and make changes when you put points on the board if needed. Anyway as far as Im concerned if we lose to Fulham hes sacked. Fulham a team favourite to be relegated have Marko Silva looking like a genius compared to Marsch who looks out of his depth. Steve Cooper has made Klopp look silly today and outplayed Liverpool in terms of shots on target and nullifying his strikers.
Forest have just beaten Liverpool, and if I'm honest, they deserved the win. They packed out midfield, got back in numbers, and had great pace on the break. Liverpool missed several that even our forwards would have put away, but they are far from terrible. Lots of long balls, lots of clearances, but you expect that from a team at the wrong end of the table.
We have proved last season and this we are not good enough to play out from the back when pressed. We screw it up, make mistakes, give the ball away or Meslier panics and lumps it into touch. Whatever happened the the Meslier who Bielsa said had brilliant distribution. Why does Marsch carry on with a tactic that fails and everyone knows it doesnt work
Premier League managers and referees: ‘What sort of message does this send?’ please log in to view this image By The Athletic UK Staff Oct 22, 2022 After Jurgen Klopp was sent off in Liverpool’s ill-tempered 1-0 win over Manchester City last weekend, Dr Tom Webb posted an image on Twitter similar to the one above of the Liverpool manager screaming at assistant referee Gary Beswick. “What sort of message does this send to people watching?” wrote Webb, who co-ordinates the Referee and Match Official Research Network. “It’s images like this that make people think #referees are fair game… ‘if coaches and players in the Premier League are doing it, then it must be OK’… it isn’t and it certainly won’t help the trend of referee #abuse.” Klopp’s actions came in the Premier League’s marquee Sunday afternoon game on a weekend where Merseyside Youth League matches were postponed “following multiple incidents of inappropriate and threatening behaviour towards our league and match officials”. Klopp, of course, is not the only manager to lose his cool with an official this season and the abuse of officials is a problem throughout the pyramid — and in children’s football, too. So what responsibility do Premier League managers have to set a good example? Does the fish rot from the head down? “I know about our role in public and how difficult it is to be a ref,” said Klopp two days later. “Oh my god, I know all that. I am a ref five times a week in different situations in training and you can never do it right. please log in to view this image “But in the end, we are all human beings and you react how you react. For 99 minutes, in this case, it was pretty intense and always being the perfect version of yourself is actually not possible in life and in these moments (it is) more difficult. “I went over the top in the moment but I don’t think I was disrespectful to anyone. I apologised to the assistant, of course.” This is about much more than the Liverpool manager getting upset with referee Anthony Taylor’s decision not to give a foul on Mohamed Salah by Bernardo Silva. It is a problem deep-rooted in the English game and one that shows little sign of getting better any time soon. So, The Athletic asked Premier League managers whether they think they should set a better example and if it is something of which they are conscious. Do they ever look back at footage of themselves on the touchline and feel embarrassed about their ranting and raving? Or is it just part of the game now; the natural consequence of the pressure and scrutiny which managers find themselves under? And what can be done to improve the situation? Do Premier League managers have a responsibility to be role models on the sidelines? “I think we all do,” said Leicester City manager Brendan Rodgers. “That’s always been the notion for every manager. It is a very passionate game and obviously, from time to time, those passions and those pressures will come out on the side of the field. Sometimes that can spill over, but I think we all have that responsibility as managers, coaches and players to uphold the values of the game. “I was over in Belfast during the international break and I was watching a five-a-side tournament. I was laughing to myself because my own nephew was rolling about the floor and holding his knee and he’s only six. So it definitely does (translate from the professional game to grassroots). It follows through and it’s something that we always need to be aware and conscious of.” please log in to view this image “I think we need to be role models,” agreed Brentford manager Thomas Frank. “We need to be very aware of what we are doing out there. “I think it’s important for, especially Sunday league or grassroots football, they play for fun. Here it’s a professional game and there is so much at stake. So much (media) focus, but even with all that said we still need to be calm and be role models. “I have also been on the touchline and watched my son play, but because I have got a professional career I never said anything. I understand it’s difficult out there because you just want your son or daughter to do well. People need to remember it is the most beautiful game, it gives everyone so much joy and we need to remember that when we are a little bit heated.” Nottingham Forest manager Steve Cooper has a unique perspective given his father, Keith, became a Football League linesman in 1975 and went on to referee in the Premier League before his retirement in 1996. “There are a lot of people watching, of course,” said Cooper. “You always want to be the best version of yourself and a good role model. But at the same time, being a good role model can be about showing that you care; showing that you are ready to stand up and be counted, particularly if things go against your team, which you don’t believe are right. “There are ways and means of going about that. That might sometimes mean a bit of animation or aggression and I think that is OK.” “We all have to act as a role model,” said Crystal Palace manager Patrick Vieira, who was sent off eight times in the Premier League as a player. “When I say all, I’m not just talking about managers, I’m talking about yourself (journalists). We all have an impact on youth so how we conduct ourselves is important.” “For 90 minutes or a bit longer, it becomes an emotional game and maybe sometimes you can change your character from what your true character is,” said West Ham manager David Moyes. “If you were in Jurgen Klopp’s position you would probably do the same. But we’ve all got great respect for referees and the work they have to do. I hope, in their way, they will understand that for 90 minutes or a bit longer we can sometimes lose our heads here and there a little bit. “But I think if we stood there and did nothing then our supporters, the public, you (the media) would probably be questioning why not?” Everton boss Frank Lampard picked up this theme, highlighting how after former Chelsea boss Thomas Tuchel and Tottenham manager Antonio Conte had a skirmish in August, a lot of the rhetoric centred on the passion of Premier League football. please log in to view this image “I remember earlier this season when Tuchel and Conte had this,” he said, “and afterwards it was ‘This is great! This is what the Premier League is all about, people showing passion and showing themselves!’ so you can’t have everything in one go. “We have a responsibility I understand that, but there is also a microscope on managers in the modern day where we’re in highly pressurised jobs. It’s easy for me to sit here in a calm moment and say we should be better, but the amount of pressure we’re under and sometimes the decisions that go against you can throw you.” Lampard also argued that it is more about everyone taking personal responsibility for their actions than Premier League managers acting as role models. He said: “If you’re trying to draw a line from (the Premier League) to a Sunday league game or someone going and physically attacking a referee, then that’s just the personal responsibility of someone who did that, as it would be if they did it on the street. “I understand our responsibility but I don’t draw the line directly from that. I don’t see it much. I see managers in our position handle themselves really well for 99.9 per cent (of the time) and sometimes that little bit comes out.” “We have a lot of cameras on us,” said Manchester City’s Pep Guardiola. “It’s happened to me as well many times (getting too emotional). I’d like to control my emotions but during those moments, in certain stadiums, sometimes it can happen. We want to respect the referees and everything involved in the game, but sometimes emotions are there.” please log in to view this image Are you conscious of the way you act during a match? “I am very aware that I am going to be looked at by millions and millions of people, especially children,” said Newcastle boss Eddie Howe. “And I think you have an expectation to make sure the game is upheld in the right way and with the right spirit. “I am certainly aware of my demeanour and behaviour on the touchline. That’s not to say I don’t want to win and I don’t want to win with every fibre of my being, because I do, but I’ve always just had that inside me not to lose my discipline. “Also, my players are looking at me and what are they going to think of me? I’m not going to be able to help them in that moment if I’m not in control of my emotions.” please log in to view this image Frank admitted he has reflected on his behaviour “a few times”. “I think in general the fourth official gets too much abuse,” he added. “What can they do? Sometimes it seems like they are only there for us to let the steam out and can say something and I’m definitely doing that myself sometimes. We need to be better in that aspect.” “It has always been my way to be calm,” said Rodgers. “There are obviously games that are more intense but it doesn’t take away your passion for the game. You don’t need to be running up and down the line and shouting, jumping and gesticulating to be passionate, you know. But I think we’re always aware of our conduct.” “I’m certainly conscious of it,” said former Aston Villa boss Steven Gerrard earlier this week. “I’ve made mistakes previously on the side and it takes time to calm down. But it’s because we all want to win games and do as best as we can individually for our teams. We want to show our supporters that we’re the leader of those teams. We’re human and mistakes happen.” “We have to show, always, respect,” said Conte. “Sometimes you agree, sometimes you don’t agree with a decision. In the past, I was angry much more with the VAR, not with the referee’s decision, because the decision during a game sometimes is positive and you can take advantage. Sometimes it’s negative and you can argue.” What can we do to change the narrative? “Keep talking about it, keep being aware of it, try to create the relationship between each other,” said Frank. “Let’s say you and I went out for a drink every Thursday. We would create a relationship. Then I think that’s better. “If you have a very good relationship with a very good friend, it’s more difficult to be really angry with him. Of course, in the heat of the moment, we are all professionals, but I think it’s about creating a relationship which is most likely difficult because when do we have the time to do it?” please log in to view this image “I can always live with good arguments,” said Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhuttl, who suggested officials should explain their decisions more to help managers’ understanding. “It is not good when we are always jumping on referees. This is definitely not the way we should do it. “It should be always in a respectful way and the referee should explain what he thinks. The fourth officials should also explain the reasons why and then I can live with it.” “I think it’s constant reminders,” said Rodgers. “Behaviour is very, very important. You can be competitive, you can fight tomorrow, but there always has to be a level of behaviour. It’s sometimes harder to do that because there’s emotion, which at times wants to come out and explode but you try to remain calm and keep it inside but it has to come out somewhere.” “We have to try and use common sense in every moment,” said Conte. “I know it’s not simple — I live the game with a great passion and you’re totally involved in the situation. “The best is to find the right balance, for us to have great respect for the referee, the linesman, the fourth official. At the same time, it’s good (for referees) to understand the moment and to look at what happened and be intelligent. “The respect has to be there for them and the referees have to show respect for us. Honestly, in England, there is great respect, I see that.” “When we have our group chats as managers with the LMA (League Managers’ Association, the managers’ union),” said Gerrard, “and everyone is together with the referees — when we’re in a calmer situation — we make an effort to try and decide how we look as managers. “But we’re not perfect. If you feel hard done by, it hurts. We want to win football matches. We’re also professional as well and we’re aware that sometimes we can overstep the mark and it doesn’t look good. When the dust settles we understand and recognise that we need to stay on the right side of it.”
Someone will ask me who with, the answer is I don’t know but I’d sack Marsch after the Liverpool game. I don’t understand why it’s not clear to see he is out of his depth, why would anyone wish to keep him, it’s Hockaday all over again. My problem is I don’t trust Orta to get any replacement right, we were lucky with Bielsa. If the board and Radz are not sniffing around possible replacements now they need to pack away their desks and hand over control to the 49ers If it is the 49ers who are invested in, and insisting with Marsch then we have serious future problems. There will be several teams dumping their managers before the WC break, if there is an ideal candidate we need to strike now.
Villa sacked Gerard, Leeds knew a win against bottom club Leicester was also the end for Brenden Rodgers but made Marsch look a fool and now Marsch knows the end is near. The away fans are brilliant and they know when things are bad and they let Marsch know. I only hope Marsch can redeem himself by putting on a good display and 3 points, but he will need to repeat and repeat with more good performances for the fans to forgive him. They are sick of the shyte performances which win only 2 points from 7 games. Win points, perform well no more bad performances against teams we should put away. Bournemouth, Brentford, Palace, Fulham all way ahead of Leeds on points, we are actually 4 points behind Palace and Bournemouth and 6 points behind Fulham and Brighton and today we could go further behind Everton or Palace
Match Facts There have been over 2.5 goals scored in Fulham's last 9 games (Premier League). Leeds have lost their last 3 matches (Premier League). Fulham have conceded at least 2 goals in their last 4 away matches (Premier League). There have been under 2.5 goals scored in Leeds's last 3 home games (Premier League). Fulham have failed to win 9 of their last 10 away matches (Premier League). Leeds are undefeated in their last 5 home matches against Fulham in all competitions.
Pochettino said no to Villa he wants an elite club, Thomas Franks has said he has unfinished business with Brentford, lowest paid PL coach on the verge of signing a new contract. Villa have turned their attention to Sportings Amorim. Sporting paid €15m to land Amorim from Braga and inserted a €30m release clause in the four-year contract he signed in 2020. When questioned about the links on Friday, the 37-year-old said: “I’m Sporting’s coach and there’s nothing to say on the matter.
Best manager out there who is unknown in the UK is a guy called Marcelo Gallardo. He has just left River Plate in Argentina and his record is awesome: He won the Uruguayan Premier league in 2014 before joining River Plate Argentina Won the Premier league Won Argentine Cup 3 times Won Argentine Supercup twice Premier Trophy Copa Libertedores twice South American Cup 4 times Suruga Bank Championship South American Coach of the Year 3 times Will deffo be on his way to Europe…. Somewhere
As it stands we are no better than a bottom 6 club in a mini league with no aspirations of being higher, unfortunately as much as he has done for the club radz won't be taking us to where we would all like to be, and most American backers see sports clubs as just franchises......where are the rich uk investors?....why can't that ratcliffe geezer not be a Leeds fan the stupid numb scum fan
Hopefully not Leeds. If we were in the Championship maybe take a gamble, we need a coach who has more experience outside of South America, well I think so
For the Tyler Roberts fans who were happy about his club being top of the league, well he wasnt even in the squad the last game and misses out on being in the squad again today. Can only mean hes injured yet again…. Lewis Bate has made ghe bench again for Oxford but just how much education is he actually getting?
So thats Everton and Fwank now 4 points ahead of Leeds and even if we win tomoz we can now only move up a place or two and still be behind all the favs for the relegation dog fight
