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  1. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member
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    I just did. So one person thinks it was anti brexiteers then or two if we include you. That's overwhelming then.
     
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  2. AWAY IN BC

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    So glad i moved to Canada..
     
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  3. Plymborn

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    What even when those bears try to get in your cabin.....or forest fires try to burn it down......the worst we get is a marauding squirrel or a fox tearing open your dust bin sacks.
     
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  4. Plymborn

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    Truss and Kwarteng tried something different and we'll never know if it could have worked....because the status quo just gets nervous and reacts to defend its position and has caused panic....and the reaction is financial institutes protecting themselves....okay I wasn't sure if they were doing the right thing or not.....but the establishment wasn't going to allow it anyway.....and they are as much to blame for the run on sterling......the remain brigade are smirking at the results....but their mates in europe have their own problems with Putins attack on their energy sources.....hoping for them to let Ukraine go to the wall to protect themselves from having no energy this coming winter....its all me, me,me......just like that Megan women.
     
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  5. notDistantGreen

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    I watched our so-called Prime Minister interviewed for BBC SW at 6 o clock as is apparently the norm prior to the party conference.

    No coherent answers on anything and more than a touch of irritation at being asked things which are awkward for her but perfectly reasonable under the circumstance.

    But it’s that blink rate that gives it away a bit like shadows under a helicopter rotor. It says either “I don’t know what I’m talking about” or “I’m lying through my teeth”. She worries me, she really does.
     
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  6. sensiblegreeny

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    I do love a gullible person who believes everything they hear. So, I have this business idea plymborn and just need all of your money to make it work. It's fully guaranteed and can't possibly fail. Shall I send you my details and you can just pop the money into the account.

    I watched that interview and also watched other responses on the main news. She is shocking. The long pause before answering a question she wasn't asked is priceless. She does not have a clue. It's amazing when you think about it that virtually everyone else in the financial sector home and abroad thinks the mini catastrophe was a huge mistake and yet there are members of the public who still think her and her side kick are competant. Truss still defends it along with the financial wizard next door. I think "she worries me" is a bit understated notdistant.
     
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  7. Plymborn

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    I'm not gullible enough to believe anything you say sensible.....your blinkered view of life is fixed in the past....life has moved on without you.
     
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  8. sensiblegreeny

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    Feckin hell pot kettle or what. You are so stuck in the past you still take your horse and cart for a canter whilst tugging your forelock to the passing gentry. It isn't me saying it plymborn it's most of the World saying it. It's you with blinkers on whilst Rome burns. First it was Boris who was truth personified and now it's Truss in whom we should trust no matter what experts say. Ergo where the gullible comes from because if you still believe in what the latest Tory leader is doing then you just have to be. You seem to put so much store in Newspapers and what they say. Have you read the latest headlines? Perhaps you think they have all been infiltrated by remainers and the Yeti really does exist along with the tooth fairy.
     
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  9. notDistantGreen

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    Plym I’m shocked you fall for the “it’s all the bankers fault” claptrap. Money flows like water: along the line of least resistance. Regulation can resist the flow but a far bigger barrier in is risk. If you have a madcap government like this, it simply flows the other way. This is financial institutions NOT behaving as cowboys as some would characterise them but the opposite: they’ve taken fright because we have a Government that’s ignoring the rules.

    I saw some senior bod from the IMF on the news yesterday saying he’d seen this sort of behaviour before but only from “less well run economies” or similar, never from a G7 economy. Now he didn’t use the words “banana republic” but you knew he wanted to.

    One of the things the BBC interviewer (Martin Oates is it? Far too good to be languishing in Mannamead Road) asked her about was the NHS and the unacceptable ambulance delays in the SW. She assured him it would be sorted out, accompanied by the sound of a steel trap closing. How would she pay for the better social care needed to get patients out of hospital sooner he then asked, given she’d just cancelled the NI Contribution increase that was to pay for it. Cue bluster, a lot of blinking and no answer at all.

    How does growth occur? It happens because businesses have the confidence to undertake projects because there’s a growing market, they have to the physical resources to do it and access to cash at an affordable cost.

    In good times, significant projects take at. best a couple of years to put together, often 5 and if there’s land to be bought and planned, 10. We’re short of labour at the moment thanks to Brexit. Interest rates are soaring thanks the Government’s incompetence. The only thing that’s certain is that there’s a lot of uncertainty, especially around energy costs but also raw materials as the £ nosedives.

    There’s no point in this hapless and hopeless government thinking they’ll get growth in two years before the next election by rashly cutting taxes: it’s physically impossible and managerially unlikely as company directors refuse to take a risk until the fog of war lifts.

    Government projects run on a timescale 3 times slower. I need only 3 characters to prove this point. H. S. 2. We aren’t going to get growth by 2024 that way either.

    Don’t believe what you read in the Mail, the Express or the Telegraph. This isn’t a plucky and innovative government blocked by big money. Which way is it anyway? Are the financial institutions lawless bandits roaming the world taking the food from babies’ mouths or are they reactionary fuddy duddies blocking the path of righteous progress? They can hardly be both.

    No, this populist governmental ineptitude on a monumental scale installed by the new breed of Daily Mail reading Tory Party members because Rishi Sunak wore expensive shoes, was altogether too clever and competent and also wasn’t quite the right colour. Bring back the public school grandees I say. At least they had 2 brain cells to rub together.

    Don’t forget I say this despite Sunak being a Brexiteer and being someone who’s voted Conservative virtually all my life. But not for what they’ve become. I can forgive a lot of things but not incompetence.

    I heard the Conservative Chairman of the Parliamentary Treasury Committee this morning. Conservative mind you. He sad it was essential the OBR forecast be released immediately but he suspected the figures didn’t add up and that’s why it had been withheld. He also said what I’ve said: growth takes time. He added the only way to release the brakes quickly was to relax immigration restrictions. Oh dear, how could we have got into that situation and why did no one warn us before we choked off immigration from friendly neighbouring countries?
     
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    PS the Chief Secretary to the Treasury has this morning refused to confirm that the triple lock on pensions would be restored, as previously promised by then Chancellor Sunak. They won’t be reimbursing you for current levels of inflation then.
     
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  11. Plymborn

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    Thanks for your 7.30am post notDistant...an interesting read....nice to read a comment that isn't a bullying trashing everything that's said... sensiblegreeny type blast.....

    i'm not a Truss or Kwarteng follower whatever sensibles loud mouth rants.......a different approach was visualized and maybe it deserved a try.....but it needed time to prove one way or the other.....and of course time is not available anymore.....having been shot down within 24 hours....panic set in and the rest is history.

    Around this area of NW Kent/Bromley London Borough.....the average house/bungalow are 4 bedroom detached properties.....not one of them would fall into a band A to D rating...so all are outside of a council grant allowance......also I doubt if any fall within the average energy cap of £2,500.....so no rate pay back or average energy caps around here.....but there is £400 coming from somewhere...i can't remember where now ?

    Now although many in this area will not blink a moment about these increases...even though they are not receiving a £50,000 perk from a 45% cut to 40% tax handout....there will be many older people who are property rich but cash poor.....I would fall into that category....(my little Citroen C3 1360cc car would tell people that)....

    Having faithfully scraped the money together to get a mortgage at the same time as getting married and paying it off within 17 years....it meant we no longer had the burden of a huge chunk of our wages going to the Halifax each month.

    But the comfortable position that we had worked for is now under threat because of energy costs spiralling.....please don't try to convince me that Brexit caused that....energy prices have been hit badly by the war in Ukraine....and Putin's stranglehold on gas and oil supplies....at least we are not so hit by it as the EU...with many of them having their eggs in one basket (Russian energy supplies).

    It amazes me how when I was a teenager going up to the lake district by train for a youth week walking and climbing around Scafell Pike... getting off the train within view of Seascale/Sellafield Nuclear Power Station.....and having pride that we were leading the world in Nuclear Power.

    What now ...ageing Nuclear power plants...own by France....three is it.....and in France they have something like 70% coverage nationwide.....what happened there I can't remember.

    The usual political situation is uccurring.....Labour are on the up at present....is it because they have got their act together......or is it because after 12 years the Tories are out of leadership and ideas.....I'll leave you to answer that.....neither impress me....it's go for the least of a problem one....but that shouldn't be so.
     
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    It's because the last Conservative PM but one was stupid enough to allow the Brexit referendum at all, but also having done so, didn't ensure that a significant majority was needed for change. Because the last PM was an inveterate liar and this one's an idiot.

    Taken together, that's alienated many traditional Conservative voters like me. We've been replaced by Daily Mail readers in the north.
     
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    The last Conservative PM but TWO actually.....time does fly;

    1......Ran away because he never thought it would happen.

    2.....She was a nice woman....but totally pointless.

    3.....Too different to do it anyway but his own way....he did okay sorting the Covid jabs out.

    4.....This one is an ex Lib/Dem....and nothing good has come from them.
     
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    You bring my comments on yourself with your provocative comments I almost think deliberately. Your defence of Brexit and you keep throwing the subject in somewhere. Boris is wonderful which you stoke with your Bring Back Boris throw away. They tried something different but everyone else sabotaged it. That's when the World is telling you it's complete pants. Even a chuck in of "that woman Markel" for good measure as if she was to blame for all the ills and in your world probably the death of the Monarch. All of those you have said despite the subject on most having been put to bed. You then talk about blinkered views when the proof of it is there in the public domain and has been stated by loads and loads of the educated and fail to recognise your own set of blinkers in any of it. You have made racist comments previously and even since have thrown in a few more in the middle of your essay on life in your world. The last one was that Rushi Sunak wasn't a Christian in a Christian country I believe. You then bleat on about being picked on and bullied when taken to task. Poor old you then.
     
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    Do you keep a dossier on everyone you take a disliking to....or is it just me.....and in my case the answer is ...."he is a racist".,....oh if life was that simple for all the things you can't understand.

    There are other ways of seeing life than the sensiblegreeny way....painting things with the same brush doesn't work does it.....so the answer is racism must be at the root of it all....just parcel it up and stick a label on it saying......Plymborn is a racist....life's so easy in sensiblegreeny's world.
     
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    Oh I forgot Theresa May: an easy thing to do. Mind you, she's got some fire in her now she's on the back benches: made some very valid, very strong yet restrained attacks on Johnson. In fact she looked far more Prime Ministerial than he did for sure.

    Plym - without making it personal, surely you can't deny that a sizeable proportion of the pro Brexit propaganda was based on xenophobia at best and racism at worst.

    If you've studied how Dominic Cummings got the vote in, you will know that xenophobia was a strong theme, targeted indirectly at specific demographic groups (white, older, working class, deprived areas, the north, coastal towns) by means of their likely interests, of which football was one.

    The fact he played the xenophobia card in that way shows he knew that he knew that racial undertones were rife in those groups and the fact it was so successful shows he was right. The success of it lingered at least into the 2019 General Election giving the Conservatives the so called "Red Wall" constituencies which they hadn't held in living memory.
     
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    Without being personal notDistant is something that I haven't heard for awhile on here......maybe there's hope then.

    notDistant I am not a good case to study regarding the EU....I voted back in the 1970's not to join.....It's the one thing I agreed with Charles de Gaulle about......no, no ,no. is what he said....because he recognized that the UK was an island race and would not comfortably fit into a grouping that was controlled by France and Germany.

    During the second WW....de Gaulle lived locally in Petts Wood near where I have lived for the past 50 odd years.....there's a house there with a blue plaque on it telling us so....although he was in the UK planning for after the war he never loved the english.....and he knew that we wouldn't allow ourselves to be tamed by the French and certainly not the Germans.

    So me voting for Brexit hasn't anything to do with Cummings, Johnson or even Farage.....I could see that there was always a rift between the EU leadership and any UK government......Thatcher spent ages trying to balance the books about how much we annually paid into the EU piggy bank.....she could see that we were being screwed.....and she had to fight tooth and nail to get a just payment.....the only thing I ever agreed with Thatcher over.
     
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    God give me strength................................................................
     
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    France is not Europe Plym. As I've said before, the only race who refuse to speak English even if they are fluent and the only nation whose police have pointed an assault rifle at me. That's not typical of Europe.
     
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    Scientists have found that octopuses are either "right or left tentacled".....Researchers into octopuses have found that the creatures favour a particular limb.

    Researchers at the University of Minnesotta filmed....California two-spot octopuses... and discovered that they always use the second tentacle from the middle of their body to launch an attack before bringing an adjacent tentacle into play.

    Research scientists have found that which ever eye see the prey first the tentacles that side of the body will be used to attack the prey.

    How ever have we lived our lives to the full without knowing that fact.....there was no comment on how much money had been spent on this research.....maybe it's best we don't know.
     
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