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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

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    I think the rush to lump the women in with the men and say first trophy since 1966 is dead wrong.

    This is the FIRST trophy they have won. Why relate it to men's sport at all?

    We don't relate golf, tennis or athletics where there comparisons so why would we want the useless English mens teams to be given an out in terms of pressure cos the barren streak is broken


    In 1996 it was 30 years of hurt. Its now 56 years of hurt.

    The women ought to stand up and say they are breaking new ground and doing new things for themselves not for Bobby Charlton etc.
     
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  2. johnsonsbaby

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    The women players themselves said in interview after the game that it's not about women or men it's about England.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Meh.

    They have to make it about women's football as its actually important.

    I was personally disappointed in the crowd at the celebration. Quite small.

    This is why they have to own it for the actual sport or else this'll go into the same cupboard as underage trophies and by the time Qatar rolls round the same press will be on about England winning nothing blah blah blah.
     
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  4. Solid_Air 2

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    the size of the crowd in Trafalgar square event was a fixed amount .
    Personally think all talk of comparison to mens football should be binned and it celebrated for what it is and if they compare it to 1966 i will point out we won 2 world cups in 2017 .
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

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    It should he held up as what it is.

    It's the first major trophy and shows the development from a very poorly supported amateur era sport that got no attention to a powerhouse professional era sport.

    There's a difference between rugby where women's pro rugby is utterly dominating amateur rivals and this as football is not a minority sport.

    They need to now find the balance very quickly so amateur women's teams are not hockey Ed by 10 goals a game. There's enough pro leagues now that this can be a career for.women like other sports and should be held up as the one that's more accessible to kids. Unlike golf and tennis that are elitist.

    It's imo not first since 1966. It's first ever and far more important. I'm sure sure if this thinking is less equality and whatever or not but I'd rather see it.being a true stepping stone not just forgotten in a months time when the prep for men's world cup starts up.
     
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  7. RogerisontheHunt

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    I think there is something that needs to be done on the domestic side of the Womens game

    If you look at alot of the big nations at this Euros the squads are made up mostly by very few clubs.
    England, majority are from 4 clubs
    Germany, majority from 3
    Spain, 2
    France, 3

    and even then where the national squads appears more spread across clubs, its the same clubs that dominate the other nations.
    There is alot of Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Lyon, PSG, Barcelona, Wolfsburg and Bayern players making up the squads.

    Means that domestically there are still alot of big score games.
    Also the contract situation in the Women's game seems to be a problem, alot of them move about very frequently cause the contracts are short term and there is always someone who will pay just that little more.
    I know Liverpool found it hard to keep the title squad together especially when new clubs like Man City were throwing the cash at building a team.
     
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    Hopefully the growing number of women playing in recent years will feed through to a bigger pool of quality players to choose from .
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

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    There is a massive massive issue that you have identified.

    Doping is bad enough in the men's game where revenues that are real can at least barely try to work smart and try to keep up but in the womens game there is no competing with it.

    Chelsea no longer have the oligarch so in theory it might have the ego remove and all fall back to a self sustaining level but city are pure and utter ego and state sportwashing. They could utter kill the women's game by making it totally uncompetitive.
     
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  10. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Bit on bbc about it.

    mens game, ideal wage to turnover is around 60%. Some are higher, some are lower.

    City recorded turnover of £571m and wages of £354m so 62% (let’s pretend they don’t fudge their numbers).

    However the womens team Turnover was 2.9m and wages were 3.3m. That’s why the best players generally play for the top few teams because they’re only ones that can afford to pay bigger wages even though they don’t make much money as a club. No real surprise that city and Chelsea been the 2 dominant sides recently because they’re bankrolled by the mens team. Now could say that all mens clubs could put more money in, but it probably doesn’t make sense from a business side of things.

    ideally you need more money coming into all the clubs (hopefully better gates, more tv revenue and sponsorship following this win) ans that’ll allow some of the mid table clubs to be able to pay better wages, which will maybe spread the top players out a bit.
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

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    The problem is I refuse to play the pretend city have real revenues.

    If they were run any other way the revenue would be more like spurs, about 450mil.

    But then again if they were real they not have got that close and perhaps would be like West ham <300mil
     
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    Whoever is in charge at Chelsea now for this new us billionaire with no sense is making sine serious random moves.

    Like as if an agent or two have got their ear and sense a fleecing is on.

    They buy the lad from villa who now want probably get any games.

    Next... randomly.... walker Peters, the spurs failure and bang average full back at Southampton???

    Seemingly out to Rob city of their first choice lwb as well

    Areas chelsea don't need players in.... hmmmm
     
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    The villa one is odd. I think probbaly a good move for chelsea, he could turn out to be quality.

    however his reason for wanting to leave is to get more first team opposirtunies because he only started 2 games last season and came on another 15 times in the prem.

    Yet you move to Chelsea, who have Jorginho Kante kovacic Gallagher mount loftus cheek all in your position.

    can’t see them playing 18 year old kid ahead of those. Im surprised Gallagher hasn’t pushed for a move. He should be in the England squad for WC if carries on form he showed last year, staying at Chelsea will likely barely play and be out the reckoning. Coukd be wrong, but given how many players they have in that area of the pitch, can’t see those fringe players getting much game time.
     
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    I think they are looking to loan Werner back to Leipzig. I can't remember the details of his non-move to us but choosing Chelsea could very well have stalled his career.
     
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    Still think he would have been good for us. He isn't a Chelsea type
     
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    I agree. I think Klopp would have got a lot out of him. He wouldn't fit now (not that we're being linked). Sometimes missing out on a player works out better in the long run.
     
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    From what I gathered we put a bid in for him which was accepted but he thought Bayern would come in for him so turned us down once that happened we cut all ties
     
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  19. Prince Knut

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    It was very simple and undisputable - the deal was agreed, but Chelsea offered him £100k a week more than we did. They came back to us and said 'match that'. We said no.

    Shame, as I think his pace, if not his finishing skills, would have been a great asset to us, but I do remember arguing with Tobes (both before and after the deal to Liverpool collapsed) that he would have been fourth choice in out front three, as Bobby was still pulling up trees back then, and he wanted wages that would put him ahead of Mane and close to Salah, iirc.

    And then we got Jota - sometimes even I have to admit that the club knows what it's doing. :emoticon-0100-smile

    That said, I'd swap him for Ox in a heartbeat. I feel for Ox, as he was superb up to that injury in 2018, but that's over four years now and he just hasn't done anything since.
     
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  20. Solid_Air 2

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    I was always a bit meh on Werner however considering his ability to play across the front 3 and his pace and goal scoring figures* it was obvious we would be interested in him .

    * It has become common to say the BL aint all that but i've been pointing it out for years and imo it particularly skews their goal scoring stats .
     
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