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  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Jack Harrison, Leeds, Newcastle and a transfer Jesse Marsch doesn’t want to happen

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    By Phil Hay

    It was one of those quick, ambiguous remarks that invite equally swift interpretation. “We’ll see, we’ll see what happens,” Jack Harrison said, and for anyone expecting him to knock transfer speculation out of the park, his equivocation posed more questions than it answered.

    Harrison, it should be said, looked and sounded as if a discussion about his future was the last thing he anticipated and it was hard to tell if he was blindsided by it or actually expressing what was in his head.

    There has been talk about him throughout this close-season, but not too much at Leeds United. They were set up to sell Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha in this window and happy to say so. But Harrison, they intended to keep him.

    The message is no different despite the events of Sunday. Leeds had just lost to Aston Villa in a warm-up friendly on tour in Brisbane, Australia and the allocation of player post-match interview duties to Harrison had him front and centre longer than the short time he spoke to the media for.

    Tell everyone you’re staying, Harrison was urged. We’ll see what happens, came the reply, which naturally provoked a double-take. The temptation to read between the lines is never greater than during a transfer window.

    Harrison, at face value, is not a crown jewel at Elland Road in the mould that Phillips and Raphinha were.

    Those two were outgrowing Leeds in a reputational sense and there is a begrudging acceptance across the sport that very often, footballers of a high value only ever gravitate towards the elite clubs. So in short, Phillips and Raphinha flying the nest was the natural run of things, hype doing what hype does. But Harrison? Harrison leaving would signal a much wider break up of the band; almost like saying that everyone in the home dressing room at Leeds has a price and clubs are welcome to rock up and pay it.

    They all do have a price, of course, because nobody is ever truly priceless, but it is not surprising that having conceded very openly that Phillips and Raphinha were on their way, Leeds are trying harder to paint Harrison as someone who will be in the building when the window shuts at 11pm UK time (6pm ET) on September 1.

    He is a player Jesse Marsch likes and relates to, and any amount of digging into the 48-year-old’s psyche as a coach tells you that the players he relates to are the building blocks of his teams.


    Harrison scored 10 goals in all competitions for Leeds last season and whether in its entirety it was a good one or not, he is one of those players who nobody at Elland Road has ever been minded to drop on a whim; not Marcelo Bielsa and not Marsch. All teams need a vein of continuity and Harrison, in a summer of substantial change, gives Leeds that.

    There are reasons, though, that he is being spoken about as a transfer target elsewhere.

    The first is that Newcastle United are genuinely taken with Harrison, without being laser-focused on signing him. Eddie Howe, Newcastle’s head coach, wants a forward who can play out wide and Harrison is his sort of athlete: tenacious, direct, built to run all day and all night. That goal output last season appeals too.

    One of the reasons Marsch’s predecessor Bielsa used Harrison so much was that he soaked up instructions and, in the Argentinian’s eyes, rarely put a foot wrong when it came to attempting to implement them. Trying to do the right thing mattered as much to Bielsa as succeeding in doing the right thing, shown by the fact that when Harrison got into a rut last season, his then-coach simply backed him to play his way out of it.

    Newcastle think they have the means and selling points to tempt Harrison but are understood to value him at a top price of £25million (around $30m) — some way below the fee Leeds would place on his head. At Elland Road, they would ask for upwards of £35million, based on Harrison’s progress with them, his 18 goals in the past two seasons (all but two of them in the Premier League) and the fact he is in the mid-20s age category.

    He is not the only attacking player Newcastle like, though, and if money was no object (which it still is at St James’ Park, despite the Saudi gold rush) they would most likely have bent Bayer Leverkusen’s arm into letting them have Moussa Diaby, the German side’s 23-year-old France international. They were no less interested in French club Reims’ Hugo Ekitike but Ekitike has joined Paris Saint-Germain on loan and is now out of reach.

    Leeds are well aware that Newcastle like Harrison but Newcastle’s only proposal for him to date came in at £17million — which was knocked back. Unlike Phillips and Raphinha, where it was expedient for Leeds to cut to the chase, they are not encouraging better offers either.

    With Raphinha and Phillips both gone, Harrison is in a fairly unique situation contractually.

    With two years to go on his deal, he is the one player of intrinsic value whose deal needs attention soon. The club have not opened structured talks with him yet but on the assumption that Harrison remains at Elland Road, that discussion is likely to start towards the end of this window or shortly after it closes.

    Marsch was fairly blunt in saying it as he sees it last weekend: “For me, Jack Harrison is a big part of our plans moving forward. We’re counting on him this season, for sure.”

    The nuts and bolts of Marsch’s football should suit the winger — who made his professional debut in 2016 for New York City against the Marsch-coached New York Red Bulls in MLS — and not because he can moonlight at left-back if Leeds need him to.

    The pressing, the counter-pressing, transitional play and direct running: Harrison can do all of it, and did much of it for the duration of Bielsa’s reign.

    Leeds have generally been very good for him, too. Four years on from the first of three season-long loans from Manchester City, he is more than 150 games into his senior career in England and he has reached the level people around him said he was made for.

    England began looking at him back at the start of 2021, as one of the players under observation outside of Gareth Southgate’s core squad. Tottenham Hotspur came sniffing too, albeit briefly, after his hat-trick away to West Ham United during the most recent January window.


    At Elland Road, Harrison has started to seem like part of the furniture.

    Leeds, admittedly, have been renovating like mad in the past six months, changing head coach, selling their biggest names, recruiting in numbers and fashioning a clean slate.

    Life moves on and it became apparent as soon as this window opened that Leeds come August would be hard to recognise in comparison to Leeds as they were 12 months ago, but they want Harrison to stay.

    Adding him to the list of summer exits would not speak to a considered changing of the guard. It would look more like an overhaul without any limits.
     
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  2. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Interesting one as there is no guarantee he’ll be ahead of Bamford. World Cup year he’ll want to be in the squad, sitting on a bench for Milan might be acceptable but not Leeds. Guaranteed game time if he stays where he is and his move after January would probably come along.

    I don’t believe Milan will budge on price, three way poker now because I can see him saying he’ll remain where he is forcing his club to sell him for the price being offered by Milan
     
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  3. Irishshako

    Irishshako Well-Known Member

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    You have me lost Eire. :biggrin:
     
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  4. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    He spotted my dad was in the mancave a couple of weeks back. He has a sweet tooth
     
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  5. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    FFS, that was like reading Clickbait for an hour & learning absolutely nothing. :emoticon-0113-sleep
     
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  6. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    Well the clock is ticking tik tok tik tok. It seems AC Milan cannot afford Special K and are now reverting to Chelsea player Hakim Zyich…… if CDK decides to stay at Brugge you can truly say he didnt want to come to Leeds.

    Think things will start moving tonight/tomoz on our next signing which will not be the German playing in Turkey who only scored 6 goals all season. Yes he may have scored a few playing under Marsch in Austria but not in the same league as Kalimuendo who would be our 2nd choice striker if CDK refuses. For me the young frog seems to be going to be a massive hit in the prem
     
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  7. Irishshako

    Irishshako Well-Known Member

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    :biggrin:
     
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  8. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    For anyone who is interested in sports shyt and investigative journalism, like someone who knows all the crap about Barcelona or the bent corrupt premier league or even bent English football club owners. Follow this guy and heres a taster…. Need to click on the feed to open up the whole thread

     
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  9. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    Yeah right.
     
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  10. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    If we come across a Kiko Costa - avoid at all costs
     
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  11. Jammy 07

    Jammy 07 Well-Known Member

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    So who has looked good so far in pre season ?

    Meslier
    Kristensen
    Koch
    Llorente
    Rocca
    Adams
    Aaronson
    James
    Harrison

    Players who've yet to convince

    Cooper (injured)
    Firpo (injured)
    Sinisterra (injured)
    Forshaw (possibly injured)
    Bamford (not match fit)
    Joffy (not match fit)
    Rodrigo
    Klich
    Struijk
    Summerville
    Greenwood
    Davis
    Hjelde
    Gray
    Klaesson

    That's 15 players with question marks about what they will offer to the team in the crucial opening matches which is way too many. Add in the long term injured (Dallas & Ayling) and we're clearly not ready for the big KO in 13 days time.

    Team to face Woves as it stands;

    Meslier
    Kristensen, Koch, Llorente, ????
    Rocca, Adams
    ????, Aaronson, Harrison
    ????
     
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  12. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    Me & shako
     
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  13. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    I would add Joffy for a start mate as he did what he was asked to do and put himself about and caused problems and indeed scored. I would also add Rodrigo because in ghe main he was effective although at times the players around him needed an easier pass. Hjelde was also very good
     
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    Jammy 07 Well-Known Member

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    As it stands neither Joffy or Bamford have 90 mins in them at PL level.

    The likely scenario therefore is that they'll share the role which is hardly ideal and the next question is which one of them will be the first to break down again ?
     
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  15. milkyboy

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    To put a positive slant on things. You’ve picked 4 of our 5 new 1st team signings as having done well. Which considering the normal ‘bedding in’ process is a promising sign

    Archie looked good against York before getting done v Villa. Gyabi looked useful v Villa but not v palace.

    what it says is we need that striker and left back through the door.. and if they signed tomorrow they’d be unlikely to hit the ground running for the start of the season.
     
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  16. Jammy 07

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    Yep my thoughts are we've recruited quite well and apart from Sinisterra, who we've not seen enough of to make a judgement, all of them should start the season in the first X1.

    What we lack though is a little bit of star quality and that has to be a major concern. If we could somehow unearth another gem that doesn't cost silly money it could make all the difference.

    Guess the other thing is we haven't actually spent anything yet this window.
     
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  17. bucks_is_leeds

    bucks_is_leeds Jonny big spuds Forum Moderator

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    I have no problem with us spending silly money at this point <ok>
     
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  18. milkyboy

    milkyboy Well-Known Member

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    Of the players we signed roca was the one I was most sceptical of but he seems to have hit the ground running. Tricky wingers from the Dutch league can find the premier league a grave yard, so we’re hanging on to a hope that sinisterra is the X factor guy when we actually get to see him… plus whoever the striker turns out to be.
     
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  19. Doc

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    Yeah the frustrating signing has been the striker. Orta has a bunch of names for every position yet here we are waiting for a kid who prefers another club. I get it but surely if its not done tonight sign someone else tomoz.

    We only have a kid who never seems to get a game and a striker who isnt fit. Well done guys
     
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  20. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    Good week coming up.

    Stadium tour on Thursday. First time taking my son to the stadium

    Cagliari on Sunday. My sons first game at ER.

    He doesn't know about either. Thinks he is going to Leeds for some trainers on Thursday and hasn't a clue about Sunday. I'm excited for him, I remember walking out on the kop my first game. Bradford at home 1988. Won 2-0. I remember being in awe how big everything was, how loud it was. Can't wait to see his face.
     
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