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It’s all about choice, if you’re happy to accept what you were offered, fine, incidentally I did too, however if the railway workers feel differently who am I to judge.

It does sound as though it’s about much more than wages, and that’s why the government, who let’s be honest fund the railway and call the tune, should engage with the railway through their elected representatives, ie their union, to discuss and explain how to move forward because any successful business needs the good will of their employees.

 

I didn't say I was happy with what I got, but in the grand scheme of things it's better than nothing.
But I also pointed out that we didn't throw a hissy fit and go on strike and we also worked all the way through the pandemic, unlike the railway workers who were often sitting at home on full (or nearly full) pay, while the taxpayer bailed out their inactivity to the tune of £16bn.

 

It is about more than wages, but it is not about the RMT sitting across the table then doing a WOBBLY BECAUSE ALL THEIR DEMANDS are ignored. Then the opposition constantly brings it up in parliament or ....
The RMT has to argue their case with the employer, they would like to protect the number of people paying their subs ... unfortunately like the coal miners [ who still have major union HEIRARCHY, but very few members ] modernisation and need changes, so does less staff.
RMT alienates a few hundred people who being so used to using train finds alternative in the strike .... and do not return ... loss of income! so fares go up less income as people change practice ... so fares go up again ..etc etc

The RMT should go into a meeting and face the facts it is a negotiation .... Railways need to be brought in line with need, passengers maintenance etc and working practice as now has to change. Rosters in the workers rest rooms were what job when by whom .. now it is who makes the tea, have a kip, !!!!! How many workers to change the light bulb ... 1/2 or 6 or more!

 

That’s your opinion, I’ve stated mine,

 

The only way any dispute is resolved is when both sides get around a table and talk. That’s what needs to happen, & the sooner the better for all concerned.

 

That was your choice, we bailed them out so there would be a rail industry at the end of the pandemic, it would have cost more to start from scratch.

The industry needs to change, like I said all successful industries need the good will of their employees, good employers involve their employees in change they don’t dictate.

 

wake up wake up wake up they have been round the table and are planning to do so again .. in fact the reality is if they dont then it goes nowhere. The issue is the RMT wants to drag the .gov in, and at the moment it is not anything to do with the process. All strikes or meetings have a set plan, which ends in arbitration when neither side can agree on a solution. They are miles from that ... and it has been stated they are not just after a pay rise ... work practices have to change.
overnight, mostly, trains [ loco's and carriages get serviced ] my friend is a team leader at one place. He says 5 years ago there was just enough time to get the work done during their shift. Now with more modern aids and modifications they are finishing with 2+ hours spare and carrying 3 extra staff on their shift. They have trouble making the job last out. He services the loco's and there is less maintenance ... as systems / drives etc change.. He reckons his depot on his shift could easily run with 4 people less ... !! Regarding pay he says they are on good money Compared to retail staff and general factory workers ... how much of a payrise would be nice ... " 10% would be nice, but happy with another £70 -£80 pm" .. wont disclose his salary [ as opposed to hourly ]

 

I am completely awake, the government are pulling the strings, they keep saying they aren’t, but then criticise the railway workers for not wanting to modernise, how do they no details if they aren’t involved? , they are the organ grinders the RMT are trying to negotiate with the monkeys.

 

oooooooo .. thats a bit harsh, under the belt ...
it is the way it is Employer v Employee ... eventually cards on the table take it or leave it stalemate independant arbitration...

Out of interest what do YOU think the government would say to change the employers way of thinking.. like they employer " say need to change modernise and run a profitable railway" ... 2 answers really ..

give in let RMT have over staffing, old fashioned ways, lose money..
OR
... RMT you will accept new working practices, pay rise of x% and any redundancies needed ...

RMT then states .gov caused problems ... or interfered or ..

 

I’ve no idea, that’s what negotiations are for to find a way forward that suits all concerned.
it seems changes are needed, even the union admit that, sit down and find a way forward by negotiation. At the moment both sides are grand standing, both sides PR machines are going full tilt . Stop it, and negotiate

 

totally agree... but do not need to get the .gov involved. The economy is now in almost a meltdown scenario. The .gov has better things to do in trying to improve things than sit around arguing with a union that wants to get one over on the .gov.

now here is an opinion .... The .gov is doing an awful lot to try and alleviate some of the pain of the present.
they went through 9 years of austerity to clear the debts left by previous .gov
when the debt was gone and the future looked bright they held an election and the whole country began to realise it was worth it and .gov had it covered.. = GE result.
thank god we had 10 years of .gov before Covid struck [ imagine the debt had previous .gov had been in power even for just 5 of those first 10years!]
Covid an unknown how bad would it be, when lessened how bad would it come back, would it continue for years??? The .gov managed to keep a lot of people with close to normal incomes for 2 years, although they did not work, kept most small businesses afloat and still managed to increase emergency staffing and hospital upgrades and ICU 's expanded.
There was a lot of negativity people up and down the country ignoring the basic rule open house Raves/ impromtu demonstrations / neighbours or families with BBQ's or parties ... and the parliamentarians also bending the rules ... But these 2 years were frought with negativity.. opposition mainly PPE [ I would sooner risk a bit of PPE sub standard than none at all ]
.gov first to put £m's into various drug companies to get antidote .. millions must be thankful ... thank goodness for the .gov at the time!
PUTRID invades, and the world is suffering, prices escalating etc .gov is giving out £trn to help ease the pain .. what do opposition do? say it is not enough, need to give out pay rises, to inflate inflation. It has just come to pass Opposition has a new plan... it is "we have no plan" even Bliar states it is just a plan with a massive hole ... I suppose the hole is for the country to fall into when they bankrupt it .....

long live the slapstick comedy of the PMQ's best 30 minutes TV of the week ............

 

Agreed it is opinion, and absolute bo££ocks, IMO, you’ve got yours I’ve got mine. Let’s just leave it as that.

 

An example of your bias, you call Tony Blair , Bliar, I assume for his Iraq dodgy dossier, which has been looked into and him being absolved of wrong doing, yet give your “full support” to Boris despite overseeing over 100 cases of breaking the law, and on top of that being the only serving PM ever to be found guilty, and being fined for braking his own laws. No doubt you’ll still give him your “full support “ even if he’s found guilty of misleading the house. And you say you aren’t delusional? , I will leave that for others to judge.

 

ahhhhh SEE you cant leave it at that ... you come on straight away with another post, funny how the media sometimes get the spelling wrong. You have to weave in other things to a post and omit things to a post to make them fit your idealism ...
agreed with your post and gave you an opinion.. unfortunately you knee jerked an answer, then had second thoughts and posted again, again trying to imply BIAS or delusion [ neither fit ] .....
END OF.

 

I was being generous, despite all your waffle your original post presented opinion as fact, you chose if it’s just your bias or delusional, it’s the definition of delusional, but I will allow you and others to judge

 

Never thought I'd miss Jiffie and 1For.

 

A rail workers' union has said it is "not in any rush" to call for further strikes in July, following last week's walkouts which caused significant disruption across the UK.

Good news and a lesson learned ... the failure of the strike action to cause chaos and turmoil failed so a good move to regroup and save the strikers losing more wages. Now wishing to negotiate in stages job security being first!

 

I’m not sure how you draw the conclusion you did, the article says the negotiators have agreed to set aside a letter inviting the RMT to a formal consultation meeting on July 1st about introducing reforms to work practices which would involve job cuts,

so the employer have agreed to temporarily set that letter aside to allow negotiations to go ahead. Mr Shoveller confirmed the meeting planned for this morning to start that process would no longer take place.

Not quite the backdown by the RMT you suggest. Nothing to do with strike action not working.

Mr Shoveller went on to say there is no need for it (the letter), the best way to find a conclusion is through negotiation….. At last common sense is prevailing.

 

obviously not the same article will try and refind it ... the strike action was a bit of a damp squib Media in the past have been days and pages of complaints stories of this that and the other most stories were from travellers that found the trains they were on were empty ... 1 per carriage mentioned!

 

his bit was lifted from the article my comment simply disagreed it was significant didnt suggest a back down my comment was

They are going to try and sort job security before wages and conditions ... couldnt be simpler

I cant find article , it has been lburied with all the rest of the stuff added since this am ..............