Strikes

We're talking about youngsters. I was up at 7.

 

What for? I thought you was retired tbh.

 

This is as much about rights as it is pay .
Until the mid 2000s employers could and did only pay 13 days holiday because they could roll the bank holidays into the yearly obligation .
Also before that rule came in hardly any building firm did or would employ the tradespeople on the books that changed in the mid 2000s.
If they start picking apart the social charter like they would like to we are going backwards .
I don't care if it's Labour or whoever gets In as long as this lot get dethroned

 

I’m not anti-unions as I think that many of the T/C’s we enjoy today are as a result of the actions back in the day.
I would say that I’m generally anti-strikes as I don’t honestly see what they achieve in the long term.
From what I’ve seen in my own industry, over the 15-20 years, is more of a professional collaboration between unions and employers, which generally avoids the need to have the type of industrial action we are seeing with the railways. I guess we do generally enjoy reasonably good T/C’s that maybe in the 70’s /80’s weren’t on the table, so therefore there’s not as much to go after from a union perspective.
My view on this strike is that the lack of a negotiated settlement is being largely driven by the government and the RMT are being used as a political football, as a deflection from the utter incompetence of this government.
What’s the old saying about “being a good day to bury bad news”

 

I dont think there's nothing else to fight for the unions, any unions for that matter.

As has been said most of the rights we have as workers if not all came from unions "playing hard ball" to quote a clip from earlier in the thread.

You lot (older gen) secured the terms and conditions we have nowadays, so maybe it's up to the younger generation to secure more rights, more pay.

If you've got businesses making massive profits and paying ridiculous wages to the top bosses while the workforce survive on wages that don't keep up with the cost of living then strikes and Union action is the inevitable outcome.

Im not saying businesses should spread all their profits back into the workforce but offering a fair wage inline with inflation should be law, and if a business can't pay a fair wage then its not a viable business really is it.

 

From the little I have experienced, over the last few years, is that the younger generation seem to be less bothered about material wealth. IMO this will have a dramatic effect (or is it affect?) on the capitalist society we are currently living in. The wealthy need to keep convincing everyone that there’s something in it for them which of courses drives there own wealth at the expense of most of us. If you have a society who’s attitude is we want to enjoy life now, then dangling the carrot about what you could have in 20 years, from the crumbs off the table from the ultra rich, isn’t going to cut it.

 

Possibly, I'd say a lot of young people these days just see things like buying a house as an un-obtainable dream they will never get close to.

Perhaps thats why as you say they seem to less bothered about material wealth. Why worry about something you'll never have.

Again it comes back to the cost of living, a 20yr old on a 25k a year job simply can't afford a mortgage and everything else you pay for in a month. So why bother you know? Live day to day.

 

I doubt many 20 year olds get payed that much mate .
I'm on less than that and it doesn't stretch far .
The guy at work on the opposite shift to me as £170 to last a full month and that includes needing to buy food

 

Well there ya go then, people can't afford to eat never mind pay a mortgage.

My old man paid 57k for his 4 bedroom house about 30 years ago, in London. He's selling it soon, probably get about 300k for it.

You be lucky to get a car parking space down here for that now.

The yoof are ****ed basically, unless your parents are well off most dont have a ****ing chance of ever getting a home of thier own.

Which I personally think is fuking disgrace but not as disgraceful as rmt asking for fair wage and some job security.

 

He might well get a hell of a lot more than that.
A guy a used to go to pub with and worked for News international and had that opportunity to buy a 2 bedroomed appattment on Shaftesbury avenue In the 90s for under £90,000 but bought 2 guitars with the deposit instead .
He spent 3 decades regretting it .
God knows what one would be worth now .

 

2 bedroom terrace in Burnley is 5 grand. What's everyone whingeing about.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/propert...&utm_source=copytoclipboard#/&channel=RES_BUY


21 quid a month mortgage payment with a £500 deposit over 25 years.

 

This is another issue entirely but a mate of mine last year fell on hard times and became homeless, council stuck him in some emergency housing the other end of London, its a 6 bedroom gaff, all rooms are rented to the council from a private landlord & his rent is paid by the dole or whatever, his rent is £1200pm

Now when the covid thing happened, he got this 80quid uplift thing added to his benefits, the landlord put all the rents up in the house by... Wait for it..... 80quid

So he saw none of that money.

Its a different issue all together but its linked to the cost of living and shows how ****ed the private renting market is.

The landlord also owns 4 more houses in that same street, all 6 bedormms (shoebox size) all on maximum rent he can charge the council legally.

Thats ****ed.

 

It's not a big separate issue it's relative to the sheer cost of housing and loving which is rampant .
It's excessive capitalism that causes these things .

 

How the **** anybody on less than £50,000 can afford to live in London baffles me

 

A lot of that generation - which is my generation as it happens, but not me though - swallowed the Thatcherite dream. Bought their council houses, plus a few shares in BT when it was privatised, and now they think they’re Rockefeller. Their last gift to the nation was Brexit; and now their children and grandchildren are priced out of the housing market, no job security, no final salary pension to look forward to, and forced to pay half their income to buy-to-let chancer landlords (Grant Schapps owns 40 ex council flats in Westminster btw.)

 

Yeh it's a ****ty situation no doubt.

Shapps, of course he does another massive example of an MP not being at all affected by the cost of living crisis they've created, typical.

Billionaire chancellor, writing off his mates fraudulent Billions while telling us there's no money

A Pm who would do 150k on a tree house sits in his living room covered in gold wallpaper.

But unions are the ****s here

 

Really don't understand the fuss about strikes and the constant references to the 70's as these days strikes are very rare and very difficult to legally have so much so that if the same balloting rules were used in a general election we would have about 7 MP's in total .

 

And the fact MP's are allowed to shows how one sided and bent the system is.

 

Heres a question....

what's the incentive for someone who isn't effected by the cost of living crisis to help people who are effected by the cost of living crisis?

Answer = None

The expsenses thing really fuking ****s me off if I'm honest. It's like burner credit card you rinse for as long as you can and for as much as you can before it's cancelled.

And every time I see how much an MP has claimed its always been more than the 80k salary. Every single one I've seen.