Off Topic Zero emissions?

Probably the best post ever published on the subject of "zero emissions". Absolutely worth the read!
(Translated from English):
“Batteries don’t create electricity – they store electricity generated elsewhere, especially through coal, uranium, natural gas-powered power plants, or diesel-powered generators.” So the claim that an electric car is a zero-emission vehicle is not true at all.
Since forty percent of the electricity produced in the USA comes from coal power plants, therefore forty percent of electric cars on the road are coal-based.
But that's not all. Those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution should take a closer look at the batteries, but also wind turbines and solar panels.
A typical electric car battery weighs a thousand pounds, about the size of a suitcase. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. There are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells inside.
To make each BEV battery, you'll need to process 25,000 pounds of salt for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of resin for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore from the copper. Overall, you have to dig out 500,000 pounds of earth’s crust for a battery. "
The main problem with solar systems is the chemicals used to turn silicate into the silicon used for the panels. To produce sufficiently pure silicon, it must be treated with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichlorothane and acetone.
In addition, gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium diselenide and cadmium telluride are needed which are also highly toxic. Silicon dust poses a hazard to workers and the plates cannot be recycled.
Wind turbines are the nonplusultra in terms of cost and environmental destruction. Each windmill weighs 1,688 tons (equivalent to the weight of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard-to-win rare-earths Neodym, Praseodym, and Dysprosium. Each of the three blades weighs 81,000 pounds and has a lifespan of 15 to 20 years, after which they must be replaced. We cannot recycle used rotor blades.
These technologies can certainly have their place, but you have to look beyond the myth of emission freedom.
“Going Green” may sound like a utopian ideal, but if you look at the hidden and embedded costs in a realistic and unbiased way, you’ll find that “Going Green" is doing more harm to the Earth’s environment than it seems. Has.
I'm not opposed to mining, electric vehicles, wind or solar energy. But I show the reality of the situation.
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Stopped reading there, who on earth thinks they do

 

Surprised you made it that far.

 

Never underestimate human capabilities, especially ignorance

 

I don't mate

 

Some people will believe it though to be fair, I read through the article and have no idea if it is correct or not, but it is food for thought .

 

Read a lot on battery power and the problems they cause now and what's to come in the future. From 2025 the older batteries are going to start losing efficiency, sufficient to stop driving the vehicles then what are they going to do with them? Recovery is too expensive so are they going to dump them?

 

Not sure but I heard we're going to send them to Rwanda to be processed.

 

I read it. I thought about this the other day. It’s all very good saying there are no emissions from the vehicle itself as it simply has nowhere for exhaust fumes etc. but, as is said, the fact that you have to charge it using electricity generated by (potentially) coal or diesel surely makes it pointless!!

 

No product is going to cure the disease of uncessessary consumption and the pollution it puts into the world.

We need to look at behavioural change of we want to actually make a difference.

 

Yep...7 billion people and their pollution must be having an effect and not a good one.

There is a lot of fake news about, including 'sock puppets' paid by energy companies to rubbish electric cars etc


Then idiots, eco-extremists going too far to satisfy their own egos in a fanatical sense. Which probably turns a lot of folk against their cause.

All that being said, electric cars have got to be better than petrol/diesel but not as much as some propaganda says.

Als

 

I don't know the process for producing a fuel cell (Hydrogen) but hopefully that technology will progress and become more affordable and like electric cars in use is emission free.

 

Endless business meetings all over the world don't help.

During lockdown people carried on as normal with video calls.

Now being 'face to face' is somehow vital again.

 

Not as hard as you'd think mate, I eventually managed to knock a few up in my shed ...

... I'm now trying to make a couple of self adhesive replacement eyebrows

 

I always thought hydrogen fuel cells would be the think... VHS as opposed to Betamax. Atm buses trucks and trains are beginning to use it.

Hydrogen takes a lot if electricity to produce, and if that is generated from coal and gas... its a bit self defeating.

Wind turbines/solar farms etc could produce hydrogen when there is not a great 'grid' demand.

Then you have NIMBY's. Who shout about climate change but who stop onshore wind/solar farms. Titchmarsh (gardening twat) has protested against a solar installation 15 miles from his home. Nimby's should not be allowed to get away with it, however mainly tory constituencies and their MPs run scared.

I reckon we to frack to provide energy until nuclear power stations can be brought online and wind/solar/tidal production can be increased... just imho like.

 

I love the idea of hybrids, surely we should go down that route first and when they have perfected the batteries, charging etc then swap.

 

In my household, we have a 2lr diesel, a 2 ltr petrol and a 2lr petrol/plug in hybrid.

From September to the end of march I did not have to put any petrol in the hybrid. As I guess I only did short journeys SoL, school run, golf etc. About 2500 mls on electric (30 ml range). I've been using the petrol now as apparently it goes 'off.

I also have solar panels...not used any public charging point.

 

I went to buy a new Toyota hybrid and the lass at the garage told me I was wasting my money as I don’t do enough miles a year, she reckons the price difference between the two works out more than the money I would save? Another thing do the hybrids or full electric tow very well? I have never seen this mentioned anywhere.

 

It's never going to happen. We need to be investing in getting fusion going and technological methods of removing carbon from the atmosphere.

Although I was interested to learn that globally, deforestation isn't a thing. That's been kept very quiet.

 

At our present state of technology, electric car batteries cannot be recycled , and therefore must be landfilled. however green so called energy is given a helping hand by governments who are not taking into the calculation the costs of mining the ore the diesel powered cutting machines to mine, the rail costs to factory along with the road haulage, the heat cost to smelt the basic products into molten form using coal gas and oil, as wind and solar power cannot produce enough electric to produced the heat required for smelting, the way forward is now being tested, hydrogen water powered, as we speak buses in the Netherlands are running on Hydrogen water, and the newbreed of fast reactor power plants will be run on Hydrogen as is already planned.