Now who do I respect the most……a man who’s served his country through conflict, been there, done that and worn the T-shirt….. Or a bloke who thinks he knows it all on a messageboard. I’m sure others can make their own opinion.
The ironic thing is that it was almost certainly the grandfathers of his fellow Ukrainians who assisted in the murder of his Jewish family.
Yes, some Ukranians. You can apply the same argument to Jewish people living in Germany. Indeed anywhere is Eastern Europe. Society moves on, but the Holocaust must never be forgotten.
Of course not all Ukrainians Goldie. But the systematic slaughtering of Jews in the Ukraine and its neighbouring states during WW2 was aided, abetted and gleefully undertaking by a sizeable proportion of the Ukrainian population, both during pogroms and the Nazi Holocaust. That’s an undeniable, historical fact mate.
It’s not that ironic. Just the inevitability of being jewish. If I go to basically anywhere, chances are the ancestors of those I met ****ed up my ancestors.
I don’t hate them for it…. I just feel it should be acknowledged. But of course…you have a far greater, personal understanding than I ever will have. As I say again….respect to you and yours
Millions of Ukranian's were murdered by the Nazi's and Stalin in WW2, Stainsey. The Nazi's wanted lebensraum, Stalin feared nationalism amongst the Ukranians. The Ukranians that collaborated with the Nazi's bidding were a small minority, and many were under threat themselves from the German occupiers.
I tend to disagree about the tiny minority. Thousands joined Ukrainian Nazi militia (at least 280,000) and many concentration camp guards were Ukrainian (They even outnumbered the German guards at Sobibor by 10-1) And of course many who didn’t actually join those militias were quite happy to see the slaughter of Jews happen for their own gain. Again mate, just google Ukrainian Nazi collaboration…. Of course the many Russians were also antisemetic and carried out appalling atrocities….another fact that should be acknowledged
I did look at Wiki. Says 100,000 collaborators, some under duress or risk to self or family. 4 million Ukrainians were murdered in WW2, of which 1 million were Jews. There was the occasional psychopathic Ukranian camp guard, but this has to be seen in perspective. As we know, the real villains of this piece were the Germans under Nazi rule.
Shall we settle on 238,000 employed by the SS. Of course not everyone of those would have actually killed any particular Jew, however I would ascertain that every swingle last **** of them is in some way responsible. Wonder how many were brought to task in the Ukraine for their crimes ?
