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The local element is obviously the instances of bottle/flare/seat throwing at City's games and the Grems trashing the train in the last couple of weeks.

 

Dunno. The French love a riot but they’ve been doing that since Moses wore short pants.

 

I got that, and that is the bit I was referring to when I said I could see the value from a psychology perspective, but much less so as a philosophy. It's all interesting stuff though.

Quite often when I read eastern philosophies, it feels right, and then I'll watch a programme from an eastern Country, and see some aspects actually being applied, and working to a fair degree, right up until you remember that the programme is about a vastly overcrowded prison, due to ridiculous crime rates, which seems to suggest there 'may' just be some limitations between theory and practice.

Well worth reading these things though IMHO. Thanks for the heads up.

 

High profile disorder in France was being reported least season on 5 live.

 

Did they have a series of them, when the rugby fans were throwing bottles at each other and at players, or fighting in several recent games?

 

There was that game between Nice and Marseille in the summer that kicked off big time.

 

I can recall bottle and flare throwing at FC games and ejections. Can't recall any arrests or banning orders though.

 

Agree they should be covering that but being a regional sport it doesn't tie in to the wider national news agenda.

If you ask me its simply a reflection of society and not football or rugby specific. If you have the element in society then that will manifest itself at large gatherings.

Still needs stampng out at games though.

 

Raising national events only works if you apply a local context. If that was done accurately, then there is every liklihood the safety record at the stadium would attract people, as the journalist could point out City are very much at the lower end of such things, and they could take the opportunity to point out the disparity in the data due to inconsistent approach by Police across the Country.

Away fans have no concerns using the home stands here, which is another issue in itself, but doesn't seem to suggest there's Armageddon going on that needs a firm hand.

To do it as it appears they have, is scare mongering and negative.

 

That’s what I was wondering. If violence and disorder is up at football games in the last year, has it risen in society in general? Violent crimes in general dropped significantly during the lockdowns but domestic violence increased by 33%. Has there been a sharp increase in violence and anti-social behaviour since restrictions were lifted?

 

Burns chooses the best ones for click bait and plays up to it. They don't choose the most relevant and best for wider public interest, but it should be the local aspect of a national issue in any event, which in this case should be a positive on the whole.

 

I asked this earlier, but didn't get an answer. It sounds you will know though.

Do we know there actually is an upward trend in 'football hooliganism'?

On here I've only heard vague mention of people saying (paraphrasing) that it feels to them that there is a rise, but I haven't seen anything to actually back that up, either personally or in published data.
Obviously the data is tricky comparing to last year as there were no fans (and in my opinion that could be making people see 'normal' levels of behaviour at football as unusual as they've seen a sterile environment for a while. I don't have evidence to back that up mind you, but it is normal psychologically if it was the case.)
The most recent data on banning orders is below. It acknowledges the data problems from having no crowds for a while, but does use interesting phrases such as 'There has been a downward trend in football-related arrests since the 2010 to 2011 football season' and shows a pretty little purple graph showing that reduction, pretty much year on year.
So are we saying its gone back up to 2018 levels? 2010 levels? Higher?
I'm genuinely interested if you do have any actual evidence to back it up, although certainly saying its '70's and 80's repeating itself' is frankly undermining your argument because that certainly is not the case.

https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...-orders-england-and-wales-2020-to-2021-season

Oh and I'm not saying football hooliganism is a good thing, not at all, but I don't see anything at the Circle that would deter me from bringing a child to a game to be honest.

 

So you haven't listened to it then?

 

Warrington bricking Castleford coaches was mentioned on Burnsy's thread, totally overlooked.

 

Not all, I caught a bit, pretty much by accident. I rarely listen to it by choice, and catch enough at other times to decide if my initial opinion still held valid.

 

Might be the thin end of the wedge but we know where it leads if it's allowed to progress.

Hope you're right and it is just folk letting off steam after lockdown but it's certainly been more high profile since the summer, and that's what's setting the media agenda.

 

They could point out the arrest rates per 1,000 attendees are way lower for City games than "Ladies" Day. Yet Ladies Day is described by the police as a wonderful day.
Someone said to Burnsy there should be more police and stewards. As we pay 5 times more for policing than Arsenal how much does the caller want us to pay out? As for stewarding, there are more stewards surrounding the home fans at the MKM, obstructing views and constantly wandering about than at other grounds with far larger attendances.

 

But I'm not trying to be 'right'

I was merely asking why it was people seemed to think there was an increase that's all.