1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Absolute Scumbag

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Ozzymac, Feb 7, 2022.

  1. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2018
    Messages:
    30,943
    Likes Received:
    39,764
    I've never been asked that question <doh>

    I'll happily answer it, though. It doesn't set a bad example to kids because if you educate them on the reasons why it's used (to help focus and encourage) on the horse then they'll know its not a bad thing when they see it happening.
     
    #101
  2. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2018
    Messages:
    30,943
    Likes Received:
    39,764
    I've posted the link earlier on and I've pasted part of it above. The whip doesn't hurt humans.

    The penalties are because they're breaking the rules. Like any other sport would do.
     
    #102
  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    53,569
    Likes Received:
    112,768
    I asked you on this thread.
     
    #103
  4. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2018
    Messages:
    30,943
    Likes Received:
    39,764
    I asked you on this thread.[/QUOTE]
    <laugh>
     
    #104
  5. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2011
    Messages:
    14,023
    Likes Received:
    6,962
    Horses are routinely subjected to the use of painful devices in both training and racing with little understanding of their impact on horses and whether they’re actually effective.
    Of most concern is the routine use of whips in training and racing.
    Whips are unacceptable. Whips have the potential to cause localised trauma and tissue damage to horses. What’s more, the last 100 metres of a race - when horses can be whipped an unlimited number of times - is exactly the time when horses are more fatigued and have less capacity to respond.

    The study assessed the area struck and the visual impact of whip use on horses and included a total of 350 rider-horse interactions, of which 109 were clear, behind the saddle impacts. Two observers, working independently, found the following:
    • The whip caused a visual indentation on the horse in 83% of impacts
    • The unpadded section of the whip made contact on 64% of impacts
    • At least 28 examples of apparent breaches of whip rules were found
    • More than 75% of the time the whip struck the horse in the abdomen (or flank)

    From the people who supposedly consulted on this horse friendly whip.
     
    #105
    Smug in Boots likes this.
  6. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    53,569
    Likes Received:
    112,768
    It's obvious that everything would be just as equal if none of the jockeys were allowed to carry a whip.

    So why have them at all.

    It's because the crowd love the spectacle of animals being whipped and ending in a climax dripping in sweat and gasping for breath.

    It's pseudo-sexual even though the spectators will always scoff at the idea.
     
    #106
  7. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2018
    Messages:
    30,943
    Likes Received:
    39,764
    :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
    #107
  8. HoratioCarter

    HoratioCarter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    337
    Likes Received:
    640
    So the rules are that a jockey can cause some pain but not make it too obvious they are hurting the animal.
     
    #108
  9. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    16,668
    Likes Received:
    23,506
    Whips are way down the worry scale for me, I don’t even think you should ride horses. If you want to buy a horse you have a choice of one that needs to be broken or one that’s already broken. That alone tells you everything you need to know.
     
    #109
    Montysoptician likes this.
  10. Snaggey

    Snaggey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2019
    Messages:
    5,397
    Likes Received:
    24,705
    Is "broken" not just a term though. As in, would "trained" be more appropriate?

    I don't know owt about horses mind, so just thinking out loud.
     
    #110
    Makemstine Roger and Saf like this.

  11. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2018
    Messages:
    30,943
    Likes Received:
    39,764
    Yep <ok>

    It gets trained like any other pet. A working farm dog gets trained but you wouldn't say it gets broken first because it would sound terrible. No difference though. Both trained for a job that they enjoy.

    If a horse didn't want to race, it wouldn't. No amount of sitting on it, whipping it or getting off and kicking it up the backside would change that.
     
    #111
  12. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    53,569
    Likes Received:
    112,768
    'No pet, the football player is a bad man for kicking the cat but the jockey is a nice man. He's only whipping the horse to make it run faster. Now do you understand?'
     
    #112
    HoratioCarter likes this.
  13. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2018
    Messages:
    30,943
    Likes Received:
    39,764
    You clearly don't <laugh>
     
    #113
  14. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    16,668
    Likes Received:
    23,506
    If you actually believe training a sheep dog to work and putting a metal bar in a horses mouth and saddle on it’s back and then letting a human ride it, whipping it to make it go faster while there’s froth coming out it’s mouth because it’s not far off from being knackered. You have quite a bit to learn if you think training and breaking is the same thing.
    What I do believe is you like horse racing and you see it a different way.
     
    #114
    Montysoptician likes this.
  15. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2018
    Messages:
    30,943
    Likes Received:
    39,764
    That's utter pish and you know it.

    Horses enjoy racing. The whip doesn't hurt. End of.
     
    #115
  16. HoratioCarter

    HoratioCarter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    337
    Likes Received:
    640
    Which talking horse said it enjoyed racing? If it enjoyed racing why the need for a whip?
     
    #116
  17. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    16,668
    Likes Received:
    23,506
    I’ve got loads of mates who train sheep dogs and mates who have broken horses, not one word of pish in there mate, and you know it.
     
    #117
  18. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2018
    Messages:
    30,943
    Likes Received:
    39,764
    Which talking horse said it doesn't enjoy racing? The whip keeps it focused on the job and encourages the horse.
     
    #118
  19. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2011
    Messages:
    14,023
    Likes Received:
    6,962
    I'm headed to the Egyptian embassy tomorrow to tell them to round up an army of slaves to build some more pyramids.

    If they don't enjoy it, they won't do it. I'll tell them to just make sure they only whip the slaves 5 times before they get towards the pointy end, then they can crack away.
     
    #119
  20. HoratioCarter

    HoratioCarter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    337
    Likes Received:
    640
    You said horses enjoy racing, how do you know that.The horses are trained to race, doesn't mean because they do they enjoy it. They realise if they don't race they get whipped
     
    #120

Share This Page