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Off Topic Covid 19 restrictions have done one

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  1. highpeak tiger

    highpeak tiger Well-Known Member

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    Well as DMD says, sometimes life's a bitch
    I'm not coercing anyone and don't support anyone else doing it, I think it's counter productive.
    I think vaccination is a good thing but thats just my opinion
     
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  3. Steven Toast

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    Because the most effective way for the vaccine to trigger protein synthesis is in your muscular tissue. The most rapid delivery of which is through a hypodermic needle directly into that area. If there was a more effective way, they'd have used that instead, it's not as though there is a more effective way and they're just choosing to stick people because they enjoy it.

    People are free to decide, just as people are free to deny entry to others to their businesses and live shows if they aren't vaccinated.
     
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  4. Steven Toast

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    I think some people greatly underplay just how technologically advanced we are when it comes to medicine. It feels like many assume there was a handful of people working on a Covid vaccine in a dark room, as opposed to hundreds of incredibly clever teams working for multi billion dollar companies with the best technology available to them.

    I don't know where the "there's no long term data" defence came from either, when most of the country buy the latest phones, cars and tablets without a thought to them exploding violently.
     
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  5. DMD

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    I think some people are rather wrapped up in the vaccine development (possibly because it's relatively simple to follow and singular) and oblivious to the wider implications of the whole issue, and how the effects beyond it are having a massive impact.

    According to the figures, one of the best defences against catching covid, was to not go in to hospital or a care home.
     
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    As 100% of the population of Gibraltar have been vaccinated, it could hardly be unvaccinated people spreading it there.
     
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  7. Amin Yapusi

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    What, like the nasal spray which targets the point of entry, arm patches which also deliver into the muscle but via a slower release for a much more impactful immune response. They use needles because they’re cheap and plentiful, not because they’re the best.

    There is no basis for people to have their freedoms impinged depending on vaccination status. No reason at all. If you’re vaccinated then your safe so anybody else’s medical status is absolutely none of anyone else’s business whatsoever.
     
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  8. DMD

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    That's hardly a good advert for the vaccine getting us back to normal, which was the conversation.
     
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    It doesn’t stop you getting it, but it massively reduces the chance of you dying from it, which is precisely why we are pretty much back to normal.
     
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    Talking about smallpox, you can just hear some saying you have tested it on the 8 year old son of a friend and a milkmaid, Mr Jenner? We are not having that stuff in our bodies without a lot more testing. Millions would have died unnecessarily.
     
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  11. Barchullona

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    So, no travel for you to any countries which insist on vaccinations against a host of things?
     
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    My point is that they have some of the highest numbers of infections in the world yet they’re virtually all vaccinated, but I’m guessing you knew that’s what I meant.
     
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  13. Amin Yapusi

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    Nope. Never had any interest in going to them pre covid so that’s not going to change now.
     
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  14. Barchullona

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    As you can still pass it on after the jab I would have thought it is more about protecting the individual from being more seriously ill than they would otherwise have been. Which would ease the strain on the health services of the country you are entering.
     
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    Being vaccinated doesn’t stop you catching it, but I’m guessing you knew that already.

    There’s only been about half a dozen COVID deaths in Gibraltar in the past year.
     
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  16. highpeak tiger

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    They use needles because then the active ingredient does not have to partition across the mucous membrane in the nose or the skin. Large molecules do not partition well across these membranes. Small amphipathic (neither very polar nor very hydrophobic) molecules can partition well across these membranes but often need an absorption enhancer (nasal gene delivery, arm patches for drug delivery). Work is progressing on nasal vaccines (Current prospects and future challenges for nasal vaccine delivery (nih.gov)) but none are in use that I can find.
     
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  17. Steven Toast

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    Your arm muscles are the best place for protein synthesis, hence why it's delivered there. Unless you're from Gilberdyke and have a nose on your arm, a nasal spray isn't going to be as effective until they come up with a vaccine that works better inside the nasal tissue. Arm patches might work, though I haven't seen any leading vaccines being administered that way.

    As for freedom, that's a different conversation entirely. People have the freedom to do anything based on their choices, it's the consequences of those choices that others have to live with. So while it might not be one person's business what another's vax status is, the spread of the virus to a loved one who could potentially be vulnerable absolutely is. It's a societal, not an individual consequence, as we've seen. I could choose to stand next to a smoker and get smoke on my clothes and go home, which my baby would breathe in. Or, I could just not. If I didn't have to make that choice, and the smoker wasn't there at all because smoking wasn't allowed in that area, there'd be no danger to my child. That's not denying anybody's freedom, it's making a sensible choice based on the impact it would have. I could chance it and not hold my kid, but if there's an option where the outcome is literally 0%, I want the 0% one.

    As it happened, I sparked up anyway.
     
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    Leave gilberdyke alone haha
     
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  19. Steven Toast

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    Another thing many seem to misunderstand, seems to go hand in hand with the whole mask issue. Which then leads to the "what's the point" conversation. And the cycle repeats.
     
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  20. Steven Toast

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    NEVER. Those rat bastards cheated us out of the division two pool title.

    FoUl oN tHe BlAcK.

    Watching them all high six each other and chugging mild. Scoundrels to a man.
     
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