Some of the skills displayed in the Chelsea v Liverpool game showed that the mortals of the EPL are way behind.
Yes - some cracking goals ! True - they look well set . Got all the tops teams at home and don’t seem to have any injuries etc .
At one time we used to accept that even when the ref was wrong, he was right because he could only act on what he had seen. This has changed over the years, firstly with replays, then more TV cameras, then slow motion replays, and now VAR. As one writer has put it we expect the right decision now. "Another example of how VAR creates controversy. When Hugo Lloris dived at the feet of João Pedro and the referee, Robert Jones, who seemed in a good position, decisively gestured that the goalkeeper had won the ball, there was no reason not to think the decision had been correct. The ball had squirted out of the challenge at the sort of angle that suggested Lloris had taken it cleanly. But slowed down, a different picture emerged. Lloris, almost certainly, did foul Pedro, but that was almost impossible to tell in real time. Before VAR, while Watford fans may still have been outraged, others would have shrugged and accepted that in a fast-moving game, some things are impossible to give. Now, though, VAR creates an expectation of perfection and that makes the already difficult job of refereeing even harder." Football is not the only sport of course that requires technology to assist the officials. Look how many times in cricket the umpires are shown to have been wrong over a slight nick on the bat, or a ball that appeared to be missing the stumps for a LBW appeal would in fact have removed a bail. After game gossip in the pub has always included discussion about refs, managers, owners and players. We have moved on from our small group in the pub to a much larger group who have seen the game by one means or another and post opinions on line. In the same way we have seen different things in the past, we can now all see the same things replayed slowly, but still find enough doubt to discuss.
I stopped posting on another Watford forum because some individuals spent so much time slagging off other posters on the forum (even though I was not a victim of the abuse). The conversation is normally very adult and respectful here so I do hope that this forum is not going to go the same way.
Yes - there is an expectation of almost perfection from humans who may or may not be at their best to make a subjective decision and get it right so that everyone agrees which isn't going to happen in football. Also they probably won't admit it but there must be a bit of pressure on the ref if he is called over by VAR being told to correct something he must have wrong. I do agree with the view that it can be inconsistent in how it was used as in the Man C v Arsenal but I don't think you can say the officials got it badly incorrect on the key decisions (there have been some in previous games where you do question the decision making though) It seems we really are getting as much debate with VAR as we did without it which probably they hoped would be avoided. In the Championship and Scotland they don't have the system and a lot don't want it but VAR gets referenced a lot! Don't think appeals would work as clubs are too biased and one eyed in their outlook on decisions as we saw over the weekend. Could they be mic'd up so communication can be heard between the officials? - maybe but that isn't going to stop the subjective nature of the decisions made and teams are still going to be complaining.
There is only one on here and he just selects someone different each time to suit his warped agenda He is on ignore now so that should prevent me from saying something I may later regret because I have a conscience
Me too, Luther. I left here a while ago as someone was being objectionable, but when I left they started on another and now they’ve gone. It is generally very good here. Oldnick’s been around since the days of BBC606, I think, but I’m sure he’s a bored Hatter.
I think this is true, ofh, but I am forgiving if it is close. A good example is the Lloris tackle. We have mixed opinions on here from the VAR footage, so I fully accept that one. The Davies tackle was one that I thought was clear, but it was right in front of the ref. Did he bottle it, or did he genuinely believe it was OK? Should the VAR have asked him to take another look? Was it a clear and obvious error? Well, that’s the sort of thing we talk about in the pubs now (well, figuratively anyway ).
When we think of old refs, there is no way Clive Thomas’s antics would have been accepted these days.
I always did like Keith Hackett... https://www.footballinsider247.com/...ersial-lloris-footage-emerges-from-tottenham/
It was just so tight though, if Pedro had got there a split second earlier there would have been no argument. The fact we are all talking about it 2 days later is proof it was not clear. I believe it was a penalty but I saw 2 replays, one from behind the goal which looked like the keeper got there first but from the front it looks like Pedro got there!
If I may add: I'm wholly accepting of the decision not being overturned; it was a fast moving incident and it can be argued that the referee had not made a gross error for a couple of the camera angles were inconclusive; had he given the penalty it would not have been overturned - well, given for Watford it might well have been - as unlike offside that is not how VAR is used. My ire for the referee is directed from elsewhere.
If we are honest the supporters of the team seemingly hard done moaning is normal and promotes this enjoyable discussion. It's part of being a supporter. With VAR some decisions appear to be incorrect, some matters like goals and offside are cleared up. I am not sure why the ref has to go and look at the video, seems a waste of time. In cricket the 3rd umpire decides and tells the on field umpire whether he was right or wrong. It's just struck me that there are plenty of incidences on field where a player makes a fair tackle but takes the player out and the ref blows for a file (wrongly imo), which is this not applied the the Lloris incident? Perhaps we should develop Snicko to decide who touched the ball last! Anyway in the grand scheme of things these incidents are rarely critical, nobody died, it's only a game and it entertains us.
Woah ! 'a warped agenda' suggested by someone with such blinkered match views, 'selects someone different etc' good luck finding evidence for that ! Good Policy- if you cant accept any reaction to your utterings.....ignore 'em !!
Silly Comment Mr Rankin,and an insult to someone who has in the past spent a lot of time and money following the club as in actually attending matches including during their lean times
Wise words as ever from you,I'm sure you're missed on here ...unlike me I suspect as ones supposed to keep opinions to oneself- even wise ones as mine always are too !
