Nothing personal on you Steels but this is what pisses me off about the anti vaxers, they may have their half baked dozy ideas about the entire process, but they don't give a moments thought to any other poor bugger even if their relations. And then when they catch it, they expect the NHS to treat them ffs. I've said for ages that it's gonna be impossible to forcibly get everyone to get jabbed, but it's not impossible for the NHS to refuse them treatment for the virus . If these maggots refuse to get jabbed, then why should we and the NHS have to pick up the bill for their treatment. The Government needs to grow a pair and enforce this immediately, its the only way this is ever going to end !
Totally agree with you, had similar discussions with the Mrs. I have little to no sympathy for anti-vaxxers who then contract the virus, and to have them then infect others is bordering on criminal (not that I'd advocate that scenario, and it would be impossible to prove in a court of law). Refusing treatment would be an option
Very much not - i'd have to be plastered in factor 50 suncream 9 months of the year of the year if I was being an outdoor worker
I cant agree with that Steels. The NHS should not discriminate. Where do you draw the line at. People have the right to choose not to inject their body with a vaccine where the long term effects are relatively unknown. Im no anti vaxxer but i certainly dont have anything against someone choosing not to have it. Covid as you have unfortunately found out has some serious effects, others will argue that it was nothing more than a cold for them, some even having no symptoms at all. I dont know if ive had covid, i certainly havent felt unwell if i have. If i had got it and it was no worse than a cold then i wouldnt be arsed about then having a vaccine. You are just as likely to catch covid from someone who is vaccinated. The illusion that a vaccine passport will stop infection will, in my humble opinion only lead people in to a false sense of security. Now im more than welcome to be challenged, proven totally wrong, even made to look like a twat over my thoughts but i dont understand why someone who is vacinated should get preferential treatment over someone who isnt.
Whilst we are there, anyone who plays sport shouldnt get nhs treatment. If you are willing to do dangerous activities and get injured after such risks, tough titties. Also anyone who get injured after having alcohol as they are willing impairing their stability. Oh and anyone who is obese and is not regularly exercising. Private treatment only for deliverately leading a poor lifestyle. (I agree with bob evidently)
Using the no free treatment because you could have avoided the injury argument we could actually finally save the nhs
Yeah I’m not down with charging them for treatment. You can’t expect a paramedic to refuse to treat them as they’re gasping for air. By all means make it a miserable existence to be unvaccinated though if it’s the unvaccinated taking up beds and causing the rest of us to be in lockdowns.
So what if all of those things you've posted above were offered the chance of a vaccine that would almost certainly prevent them from happening and you still refused it ? Then yeah in my eyes you wouldn't deserve treatment. Obviously playing sports come with the risk of injury and of course you deserve treatment if you need it. But if someone came up with a jab that prevented you from getting any injury and you refused to have it, do you still think that person deserves to be treated over someone who has had their life saving cancer treatment cancelled ? I'm sorry but all these anti vaxers need to get real ffs, there's a woman on a show tomorrow night who was an anti vaxer in the States. She caught Covid in March and infected her 74 year old mother who she was living with. The mother died 6 weeks later in hospital on a ventilator. The daughter now racked with remorse, wishes she'd have listened to the scientists and is now in the streets every day trying to convince others to get jabbed ! It will be an enlightening show
It's strange that the Spanish and Italian leagues are experiencing very little disruption to do with covid. Both those leagues players have 94-95% of players who have been double vaccinated, whereas the Prem League is at about 64-66%, surely that's not a coincidence when we see all the games being called off here. I have no idea what the numbers are in the Championship or the lower leagues , but Warburton has said there's a good few in our squad who haven't been so it's probably less than the Prem. Strange but I never thought the Spanish or the Italians would be more sensible than us, the French league is in the 90's too. Madness
I see that a lot of people posting on this thread would be compatible with undertaking 'The Asch Conformity Experiment.'
Prefer Muzafer Sherif myself lol. Asch used deception and stooges in his tests and failed to take into account race, gender and class. But anyway I'm half way through watching the old Dick Emery film and he's just discovered the first numbers on the lady's behind
Now wouldnt that be a thing, no more injuries. Unfortunately this doesnt exist, just like a vaccine to stop you catching covid doesnt exist. It might reduce the need for hospital care by a certain percentage, granted. I wonder how many people out there, unvacinated havent needed hospital care. I know quite a few personally.
Not quite getting this argument Bob. Certain people, for reasons we don't fully understand ( genetics?) get Covid and are asymptomatic or mildly ill.... ( thus will be true whether they have vaccine or not). Some people get ill.. Some people get very ill and can die. It is proven ( by the hospital figures and deaths over the last 3 months) that the vaccine prevents a lot of people being hospitalisated or dying. We cannot yet predict who will get ill and who won't. Until we can....the vaccine is probably saving 800 people a day. ( where do you get that figure from Beth... I hear you say. Well at the height of the second wave, when we had equal/ slightly less infections per day we had 1000 deaths a day...now we have 120) An added problem for the NHS is that some of these people instead of dying are recovering in hospital....making our NHS even more stressed. Please just get vaccinated and boosted...because you cannot tell if you or your loved ones will be the ones who do actually get ill
Aren't we doing way more testing now than during the second wave, Beth? Not sure the comparative numbers of infections can be relied upon.
Not sure there is that much difference. Remember the figures of 80,000 positives a day is based on PCR results not lateral flow tests. Have just checked on the gov Web site. In Feb 2021 we were doing marginally more tests on certain days...so essentially the same number. No we are getting a lot of new infections, but in a much shorter time (increased transmissiblity of omricon)...the only good thing is..it should burn out quicker
I have some sympathy with much of that Bob. However, as I understand it, people are much less likely to catch covid or pass it on if they are fully vaccinated. Not impossible by any means, but less likely. Unfortunately, it's statements like the one you made about being just as likely to catch covid from a vaccinated person that spreads disinformation that the gullible/worried believe.
