Off Topic The greed of Hamilton and Bieber

No, but neither are they 7 times world champions

 

I’ve already agreed with your first sentence.

 

Ah right, that makes a huge difference to the cause, i'm on board then.

I suspect even the F1 drivers on the breadline of not earning as many zero's as Hamilton, have charitable foundations, just from a more ethical starting point.

 

Isn't that the definition of hypocrisy then?

"The behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do"

 

Hamilton does come across as a bit of an annoying 'woke warrior' which does seem to be in contrast to his lifestyle. He seems to stand against lots of things that have afforded him the lifestyle he currently enjoys, but he's not the only creature in that category.
Having said that I don't know the man personally and everyone is entitled to change their views as they mature - I certainly have.
He's also bloody good at what he does for a living.
In summary; I don't particularly like how he comes across. He needs to work on his PR because it's not doing him any favours - lots of people feel the same as Jiffie and Inver - it's a very common opinion, so if it's not accurate then he needs to address it (assuming of course that he cares about his public image). In the great run of things however, I don't know - or care what he is REALLY like - or thinks. I've never had more than a passing interest in F1 anyway.

 

I have made no reference to his past. I reference his now. Mr Hamilton ply’s his trade in the company of homophobes, misogynists and racists. Mr Hamilton makes money from driving in Countries ruled by homophobes, misogynists and racists. Those are his actions.

That he sets up a trust with fraction of his wealth does not change his complicity in making wealth and political gain and being entertainment for homophobes, misogynists and racists.

Of course had he not chosen Mercedes’ and made a fortune he .. Could still work for any number of principled organisations. Wealth is irrelevant, he makes his choices to profit and line his pockets lavishly. His concern for injustice is governed by his wealth.

 

If everyone made the choice you suggest there would be no F1, there would be no football, you wouldn’t be able to follow BCFC because it wouldn’t exist. He choses to to be an F1 driver, which I guess makes him guilty as you suggest, but unless we all live in communes we all to a greater or lesser degree are guilty as charged. He’s no worse than most of us, he just happens to have made an awful lot of money plying his chosen trade and be in the public eye.

 

Now this is actually a good post (although I don't understand the first sentence, that is a huge jump) and I agree with it with caveats.

I have already said I know I am a hypocrite, normal people who earn normal wages or live on pensions that they paid into have little choice in the matter, in who they work for and what they buy especially. and most of us in that bracket pay our full whack of tax even from our pensions, we have no choice in that matter.

He does have those choices with his level of wealth. If I take on board your position about not being able to change the past. What is to stop him making an ethical decision not to wear or market the Kingspan logo or allow it on his car or appearing in any promo for them? What is to stop him requiring his employers to remove any trace of the owners of Mercedes during WW2 who profited from modern inhuman slavery?

 

No worse ... Yes he is. Mr Hamilton obviously with respect is an exception. Mr Hamilton chooses to live a life that is decadant and extreme. Mr Hamilton makes money from driving in Countries ruled by homophobes, misogynists and racists, an accepted part of his employment.

I know nobody who earns money in a similar manner. Hardly surprising F1 drivers are not a common breed.

Millions upon millions of us have no life that can be compared to Mr Hamilton's. He is a a % of a %. A society outlier living a life of opulence funded by a commercial sport with no social conscience.

 

I admit I have some sympathy with these views, I’m not sure though how many of us would turn down the opportunity he’s taken , or whether the fact he’s taken the opportunity afforded him makes him either a hypocrite, or at least anymore of one than the rest of us, or a bad human being. I don’t think it does.

 

The minute you become a poster person for a very public cause, you have to abandon hypocrisy.

Insulate Britain tosser with no insulation at his house.
Enviromental zealot tossess from Weymouth recently imprisoned who went on an 81,000 mile round the world trip in a gas guzzling 4 x 4.
Gary Lineker who in a week where he publicly bought a gas guzzling car and increased his carbon footprint dramatically by signing a deal to co host Spanish La Liga football, tweeted twice that we should all do more to halt global warming.
The list is endless and smacks of people telling us plebs what to do but not enacting it in their own lives.

 

John Kerry
Dominic Cummings
Matt Hancock
Sacha Johnson

All hypocrites and this is the thin end of the wedge

 

In relation to the first sentence Of course there are caveats, I was making a general point.

 

I agree they are hypocrites

 

Millions upon millions of us, that is society choose to live lives that are principled. We choose not to work for abusers, or profit from them. That is nornal.
Milions of us, society work in professions that strive to protect the vulnerable and have principles that prohibit discrimination.

Civic societies, charities, businesses, sport, a normal for socially conscious organisations is having principles and codes that prohibit being asociated with, profitting from those who do not share the same ideals.

Lewis Hamilton exists in a world outside of normal.

I work for a charity. A socially conscious charity with clear objectives and aims which seek to create a more equal (equitable) society and supporting environments. My employment, its organisation and its employess live its principles. That is not exceptional either. Its normal.

As soon as I step outside of the above I am a hypocrite. Lewis Hamilton and bad person. I will call him a hypocrite.

 

Either listened to or got it all set up for 150 mins of enjoyable tele ... couple bottles [ well a plastic bottle with a couple pints in it mostly ] a couple snacks, and peace and quiet, except for the tv noise. 1 to 2 seasons in to LH sort of stopped watching it, Damon Hill Couthard Schumacher Prost Mansell Clark Button Vettel Stewart Senna Hakkinnen TO NAME A FEW ! Never saw him but was the inspiration as heard on radio read papers ...Stirling Moss. Everyone of these and the others were all down to earth likeable individuals came over well on interviews and when interupted always had a good word to say ... thinks since about 2008 added up, [all the laps watched ] wouldnt make half a race.............

 

A general point that suggests F1 or even football would not exist if it's sportsmen practiced what they preached, that is more than the a caveat it is ridiculous.

 

That wasn’t the point I was making., I was responding to Cliftonviles suggestion ..

work for a charity. A socially consciouscharity with clear objectives and aims which seek to create a more equal (equitable)society and supporting environments. My employment, its organisation and itsemployess live its principles. That is not exceptional either. Its normal.

 

Or actually he can also shut up and stop being a hypocrite. F1, like football or boxing where our stars box in Saudi Arabia is not there to be virtuous and these individuals, and their teams/organisations certainly are not.