McCann in ? Or out ?

What is this love fest with McCann ... FFS!!!...

 

Doesn't matter he's history, the incoming owner and Terry have agreed his payoff. The new owner has a new manager all lined up.

 

Don't worry. I'm back so that should cancel things out and see us lose 0-1

 

It's not a McCann love fest at all. But we have a squad of players that are grafting like **** for him every week and now that results have turned changing the manager at this point in time isn't the right thing to do. Obviously, if we lose a couple on the bounce it becomes a much easier decision.

I've seen comments from people saying he's tactically inept, he's really not. You don't win L1 if you're tactically inept but pretty much every week we're facing sides that have more quality than us. I thought Birmingham had more quality than us, they were just garbage and Cardiff did too. It was the manager's game plan that negated their strengths. I was shocked how poor Birmingham looked at the weekend, I always like Woods every time I see him, Hogan knows where the net is and while Deeney is old, he should eat up this level. In terms of individual ability, they were miles ahead of us, but on our present budget, there's not much we can do so we have to outwork and out-hustle the opposition.

I'd much prefer to see us change the manager at the end of the season or before if results slip but certainly not when we're on a winning run. If we have a decent run for the next 8-10 games, we could end up being pretty much safe

 

I don't think I've ever agreed with a manager being called tactically inept. How can a supporter ever be qualified to make such a judgement? I'm not saying don't criticise them, but saying they don't understand tactics implies that you do understand them better, which is ridiculous.

 

Some fair even unarguable points there.
But:
- as soon as we have fullbacks available again, I'd suggest it's fair to say that he will almost certainly return to his failed set up
- keeping him on until 'results slip' seems to me to be verging on immoral! It's just plain wrong. It's inevitable that at some point 'results will slip', be it by poor fortune (we've had the rub of the green for once lately), poor management, better opposition, whatever; that may or may not be McCann's fault. Then what constitutes 'results slip'? 2 losses, 4 losses, 1 draw then a bad loss?
- do we go into another transfer window with McCann having a big say on signings for this season and the future, when he isn't going to be here, when he clearly selects players to fit his favored system and the attributes he values most? Or do AI's team choose the players and McCann get's little or no say?
In my view, it can't happen, and I don't think for one minute it will. He will already have been judged over this full tenure, not on this very welcomed run of 3 wins, a run where he's been forced into having to make changes that he never would have made otherwise, and where, taking nothing away from the effort of the players, we have for once had more than our share of good fortune (and long may that continue ... but it won't).
I'm pretty sure it's all sorted behind the scenes anyway and now that it's finally happening, I don't think any of us should be getting even the slightest bit 'dewy eyed' about our management team nor our owners, but instead to look forward to what we hope is coming.

 

So clubs should sack any manager that is likely to have a bad run of results in the future, to do otherwise would be immoral. Gonna be a lot of managers sacked based on those rather bizarre rules.

 

No, that's not what I'm saying. The proposition, specific to the current situation and McCann, was effectively that McCann is given a stay of execution that lasts until the end of the season or, far more likely in practice (read 'certain') until inevitably 'results slip' (whatever that actually means in practice). In effect saying to him 'carry on for now but only until you have a couple (??) of losses then we'll be sacking you'.
I highly doubt AI would find that acceptable and I would expect that McCann would have enough self pride to say stick that too. (Pre-empting possible false comparison, a totally different to the scenario SB was in recently where he took pride in continuing until he was officially sacked ... and quite rightly allowed to reach his milestone).
All academic debate anyway. It's all decided.

 

This is all well and good, but can you have this discussion on the new owners thread instead...this is ruining my sweepstakes chances

 

I agree, it’s all pretty inevitable now. But those slating McCann right now, when the team’s form is good, do look a bit crazy and I’m very keen to point that out.

 

I don’t think McCann is completely tactically inept, however I don’t think you can use his form in L1 as proof that he is GOOD tactically.

In L1 we had one of the better squads in the division and even then there were periods where I thought he didn’t quite know what to do with the side.

At the start of this season, we definitely looked as though we didn’t quite know how to cope with sides better than us, and that’s my concern with McCann. He’s fine when we’re good, but he can’t dig out consistent results when we’re weaker.

 

It's his like-for-like substitutions that frustrate me no end. What's the point in having a substitute system if you're not going to use it to try and change the game?

 

Honeyman has been key to the upswing in form - as has the solidity through the middle of the park - the latter being enforced as opposed to by design.

It's no coincidence that we don't look as creative or incisive with Honeyman missing - last season also.

McCann for me is performing to par, largely due to the last 3 results. We are currently where I expect us to be with the squad at his disposal.

I wouldnt have said that a fortnight ago though and feel that the club needs to open a new page when the takeover goes through. A managers job is to engage with fans and promote the club in the media as well as manage the team and we're not going to get all on-board and pulling in the same direction without that.

 

I thought it was improving them Den... didnt you have 1500 pages...?

 

I for one will be pleased with any new signing that didnt use to play for McCann at Peterborough or Doncaster ....

Just on a point SS.... absolutely no doubt this team are giving every single ounce they have (whether its for him or to show off to an incoming new boss) .... BUT... I feel pretty certain that new management, new style will bring improved and more consistent results. We are better than we have been showing...

 

It would be doing, but it's on the wrong thread.
You would have thought the mods would merge them onto the owners thread, but they probably have money on a lower number
Its a conspiracy...

 

I'll openly admit that bringing in Shota scares me. His record in Turkey is pretty impressive and it was in Uzbek too but English football is completely different. I'd be more easy if he had any experience in the big 5 leagues or Portugal

 

Yeah , seems like a gamble , he could be great or terrible , who really knows

 

I've changed my vote today... changing him now would potentially cause more issues then leaving him in charge until the end of the season. The players are playing for him, the performances and results are positive and the last thing we need is an inexperienced set up scrambling around mid season.