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Match Day Thread Norwich v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Oct 28, 2021.

  1. Irishshako

    Irishshako Well-Known Member

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    I believe he got it from you. You weren't both just experimenting with the drugs maaan.<party>
     
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  2. Irishshako

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    I rarely do myself, I know a fan who bets against us though.<whistle>
     
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  3. Irishshako

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    Leeds utd, Watford, Plymouth to win 14/1<ok>
     
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    Sorry, lads, but the parachute payments are available to all who get relegated, so the word 'cheating' should never be used in this context. It's a benefit that's available to all teams in this situation, so why criticise them for taking advantage? I think the only reason I don't like it is that we never had that benefit, & hope we never do need it.

    The thing is, we acknowledge how difficult it was for us to go up without parachute payments to help us, given that so many competitors were receiving them at the time. Ask yourself how many teams have got promoted without the benefit of the payments? I can only think of us!, but I'm sure there must be one or two others.

    I think what I'm trying to say is that if you did get rid of these payments, how many clubs would manage to stay up? I think it would be a rarity. The root cause of this situation is the disparity in earnings between the Championship & the PL clubs. Do parachute payments fix this issue? At best, it helps some clubs, but effectively reproduces exactly the same 'have / have not' situation within the Championship itself! So what's the answer? I have no idea & I've never heard of any other workable solution.

    So we're stuck between a rock & a hard place with only 2 solutions are available - get a parachute payment when you drop, or bugger all. The solution in place at least benefits some clubs, as we've seen, but what happens if these payments are withdrawn completely? Is it better or worse? No other league in the world has them, many will argue, but how many other leagues get obscene tv money like they do in the PL? Answers on a postcard ...
     
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  5. Gessa

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    Years ago a lad I knew always bet against us, depending on the opposition would determine the amount of wager. Said it softened the blow if we lost
     
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  6. Irishshako

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    I'd rather lose money than bet against us.<ok>
     
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    Scandalous..... :angel:
     
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    Shaks, it was an entirely innocent comment. I have just noticed you applaud a lot of OLOF's posts after your weekends away together <whistle>

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    <laugh> oh you're in for **** now Narcos.<party> And stop sending OLOF those videos :grin:
     
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  10. General Melchett

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    We have been truly horrible this season and are missing Buendia to an extreme. So I expect unfortunately a Leeds win. We need a reaction to that Chelsea mauling but have so far been so devoid of quality that those goals for and against really do tell the story of our struggling team.
    Our manager on face value seems to have 2 formations 532 or 4231. If you see 532 it reeks of ongoing desperation to not lose and sneak a win maybe.....if we can string more than 2 passes together within spitting distance of your box. 4231 seems the formation we recruited for and Farke has built the squad for. For me we must return to it and get better at it with the players who we have. I'm not naturally defeatist but the way we have started the season (Although with some mitigating circumstances) the lack of obvious plan and with morale lower than a snakes belly. I can only hope that we don't pinch Derby's record.

    For me there has been a lot of crap written on here about cheating etc.

    Leeds clearly aren't the only side to ever grace the PL without Parachute money. Norwich under Lambert - probably the cheapest ever side to arrive and survive the PL. Burnley the first time or Huddesfield to name a few. Brighton and Bournemouth did it but much better funded with outside money.

    You can look at the Parachute money as rewarding failure or as its intended, a necessary financial prop to enable sides to if they want to spend enough money or pay enough wages to give them a chance of competing without ensuring bankruptcy. After going up and looking in with a chance of staying up under Neil we bought Naismith and his wage demands even after a reduction on relegation nearly buried the club, even with parachute money. I think he, as such a flop on by Norwich standards big money scared us out of the notion of gambling ever again.
    Norwich are getting absolutely cained for not gambling and for behaving in a financially responsible fashion. That for me is totally the problem with the EPL that has become nothing more than a rich persons play ground.
    I had thought that with having bounced and this time spent a bit more money that we might just have been better and competed to stay up. That we were doing it the right way. I still believe we are doing it the right way. Afterall whilst I have no real love for Delia et al, you can as easily get a Venkies, Oyston, Evans or Morris as you will a King power.
    But whilst I think we are doing it right, unfortunately I am starting to believe that Farkeball was so utterly reliant on Buendia that we are now buggered for the short term until
    a] Farke stumbles onto another way to play without him
    b] the next head coach does!

    Thrash us on Sunday and we might just see option B

    Bah!
     
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  11. Marcos Barber

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    Naughty, naughty Elland!! <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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    Sshhhhh....
     
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    Buendia was a great purchase. How you got him under our noses we will never know. He was playing for Culteral Leonesa,which was an associated club of Leeds.
     
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  14. wakeybreakyheart

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    Really good post and i agree this cheating thing is a load of krap.
     
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  15. wakeybreakyheart

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    Prepared to pay better wages?
     
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  16. Doc

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    Ok its all about semantics then, cheat: to gain an unfair advantage. Well wakey please tell me whats not an unfair advantage in parachute payments? A club in your league gets given £100m and you have to compete with it. I call that an unfair advantage.
     
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    For me this is a must win game important we score first
    If Narwick score first they will just park the bus
    If we score first their heads will go down so we should be able to fill our boots. Providing of course Roberts isn’t playing, filling our boots means 2 goals or more
     
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  18. Marcos Barber

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    Like Banksy of 606, a true artist at work. I actually laughed out loud for a full five minutes, great work <laugh>
     
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  19. wakeybreakyheart

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    They pay more so no advantage.
     
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  20. Doc

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    No they dont because of escalator contracts. No team relegated these days pays more than they did before promotion. Any player who refuses is sold and anyone worth a few quid is sold. Norwich sold almost £100m worth of players to various Prem clubs and Buendia at £35m was just one. So sales revenue coming in on top of parachute payments. The parachute payment really replaces the tv revenue..
     
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