Game Over For Ole

Juventus managed to sack two managers, one a hero former player, in the two years between Allegri leaving and rejoining.

Bayern lost a game. A game. No real surprise the fans didn't turn, eh?

And Barca fans attacked Koeman's car after a defeat immediately prior to him being sacked.

Good comparisons though, just the same.

 

I see Ince has had his say

He's not wrong though.

"You can’t have a manager who takes Cardiff down, then goes to Molde, and expect to come into the biggest club in the world and produce a team that’s going to challenge the best teams in the world with the staff that he’s got," the club's former midfielder told The United Stand.

"You’ve got an under-23 coach [Kieran McKenna] come up from the academy. He’s got Michael Carrick - no coaching experience. Micky Phelan - I don’t know what he does. That’s his team.

"This is his coaching staff. So you analyse that with the world-class players that you’ve got in the team and we keep mentioning tactics and not getting the best out of the players.

"Look at that staff. This is the staff that Ole says is 'very good, brilliant…' it's a load of b*llocks because they are conceding goals for fun.

"Are they doing defensive work? Do they know where the players need to be when the ball is in a certain position?

"I’d actually like to go to Carrington and watch a week of what they do in training. I’d love to see it. I don’t know whether they are playing five-a-side, a bit of volleyball and all that rubbish, head tennis. I don’t know what they are doing but I’d like to go.

"I’d like Ole to invite me in for a week and say: 'Paul this is what we’re doing and this is how we do it' because I’m not seeing any stuff on the weekend that says to me that we work at this, work at that."

"Look at that staff. This is the staff that Ole says is 'very good, brilliant…' it's a load of b*llocks because they are conceding goals for fun."

Btw I'd love to see this to happen ^^^^^

 

What a rancid bunch of old ****s you lot have become. Adios

 

Don't be stupid GF, there's a good balance of opposing opinions which you're a welcome part of.

We may disagree every now and again but it's nothing personal.

We win the next 3 games and I can call you a smug **** then

 

GF will be back shortly after Ole pulls yet another rabbit out of the hat with no one available to take the job. lol

Given we are already at the rock bottom, we have to assume that things can only get better from here on. Surely!!

 

Ah OK, so your post was meant to be some sort of let's looks on the bright side type thing to cheer us all up, rather than a pretty much pointless attempt at showing that Ole is ok really because, look, other clubs are also struggling?

Not being funny, if this is the case how about wording it better?

We wouldn't all peck back then.

Ciao.

 

As far as I’m concerned this prick can go **** himself. He’s more scouse than manc. I can still remember the goal he scored against Utd at the RS place. He kicked the hoardings as if he’s won the World Cup final.

I wouldn’t listen to that piece of **** if he was the last person on earth.

 

Aye he was a bit bitter after he left us. I think some of his ill-feelings were just sour lemons.

Having said that, I think he's made some valid points in what he's saying.

Note, he's not slagging off Ole. What he's saying is that with his limited experience he won't achieve success without better staff around him.

 

He has a point though.

He's saying what all the current United pundits, bar Scholes and Keane I suppose, won't say about their mate.

Fully understand and back the idea they will not call for him to be sacked or anything so maybe this opinion has to come from someone who's not within the circle anymore.

 

It’s a matter of respect as well as feelings for the club and staff you’ve played for. This doesn’t end when you leave the club, group or whatever you’ve played or worked for. Is there any bitterness from other players who’s been sold or left? No. I can fully understand ex mates of his not calling for his head. If it was your close relative or best friend or ex mate would you call for him to be sacked? No chance. And most people would understand that there would be a natural lack of objectivity from those individuals.

That retard gives it the two barrels as if he hated the club and its players and staff. So his opinion has even less validity and value.

 

Ole stays , great news for the fans


of other teams.

 

Tbh whatever Ince's motives are (and don't get me wrong over the years he's proved his bitterness towards United) the ex-players and pundits who hate United are doing their level best to take the blame away from Ole and lay it at the players. I'm talking about ex-Livpl and ex-City players on the radio, on Skysports - all trying to cause division and hoping to keep Ole in the job. Forgive me if I don't think their motives aren't transparent. If Ince was driven solely by hate he'd be doing the same.

Fwiw whatever Ince's gripe with United is (and he may be using the current situation to stick the boot in) nevertheless on the situation itself he's saying it as it is and the fact he isn't Ole's mate means he can.

 

Come off it. Not a single ex-RS or City player/pundit has said they would like him to stay. Loads of fans of other clubs come and wind us on here to say they’d love it if he stayed. Ince is indeed persona non grata at the club. And I’ve never heard him say something positive about the club. Keane can be very critical and doesn’t take any prisoners. But unlike Ince you don’t question his motives.

 

Steve Nicol and Trevor Sinclair two off the top of my head

There are others.

 

Are you joking? Not these 2 definitely. They’ve clearly said that Ole is out of his depth in the last 2 years. Sneering and saying that if another was manager then United will be title contenders. Unless they’ve changed their minds in the last 24 hours.

 

The reality is that their assessments have been spot on. Many of us simply refused to believe it even though the signs were there and piling up all along for the better part of the past two years.

Just like Ince's opinion about the training ground and drills and he didn't mince his words on the issue. I'm not sure why we characterize validity of opinions on who loves or hate the club. Many United fans and ex-players hate Liverpool, but they don't simply just slag off the club and their manager because of their United roots. Ultimately, the pundits give credit when it is earned. Until then, they will slag off s manager/club wherever there is weakness because it is their job to create commotion. Nothing new there.

 

Of course they have. And now they're speaking like they're his biggest defenders and making comments against players and even Fergie.

That's the point. They will say whatever they need to given the circumstances because they clearly have a dislike of United. Which is the point I was making earlier. Those who genuinely hate United and want to do us damage are now saying it's the players' fault and we should all be kinder to Ole. You can look up their comments for yourself. And like I said there are others. But Ince isn't one of them with his remarks, he's not trying to cause any division in the public eye between players and manager. He may dislike United and he may be sticking the boot in, but he's not trying to cause division.

 

Pundits will go with the consensus. Like lemmings. No one sticks their head above the parapet. A bit like share portfolio managers pretending to be experts yet they perform as well and as badly as the average punter following the index. Basically they don’t know any better than you and I.

And without absolving Ole of his ultimate responsibility in this debacle, I also believe like some of us here that players have to take some of the blame and some of the responsibility. Did they give 100% in recent matches ? Did they communicate properly on the pitch? Didn’t they throw a strop instead of knuckling down when we were 1or 2 goals down? Why are the figures indicating team unity the lowest in the premiership? Did Pogba have to be indisciplined and get sent off with that rash tackle (yes, the match had gone anyway). All this to say that while Ole has not performed his players are not ****ing blameless either. If they perform like this under any other manager the outcome will be the same. Let’s hope when the new manager comes he’ll have the balls to kick some of those ****ers into shape.

 

Sinclair is a hammer, he wants that Champion's league spot.

 

Yeh I listen to him talk about Hammers going for a CL spot on the radio.