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F1 2022 SEASON: NEWS - RUMOURS

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by ched999uk, Jul 15, 2021.

  1. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    The only inequality in racing is funding.
     
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    Looks like the Andretti takeover is off then... Which means no Herta.

    F1's loss is Indycar's gain. :)
     
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    Fully respect an American Indy driver in F1 would create more interest in F1 but to your point, don't dilute the exciting young talent in Indycar. F1 has quite a bit of intrigue in 2022 as it is. The recovery of Ferrari, the Russell move to merc, the GOAT vs the young Lion (to quote the hype in the US last weekend), the possibility of spoilers from McLaren, the new rules. What a season next year promises to be, with the unexpected too.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Formula_Regional_European_Championship

    This is the F3 season in question. It's not actual F3, but a regional championship run with F3 machinery (the same car as W Series).

    I don't know if there's any mitigating circumstances, but she was the only one of her team with previous experience in that car, and as previously pointed out, finished 9th in a Championship where her teammates finished 1,2,3. To briefly look at where those teammates went:

    Petecof won the Championship, and graduated directly to F2 for 2021. He had 6 races with the high point being a 13th place finish, then withdrew from the Championship for financial reasons, and has since returned to Formula Regional with a weaker team and only managed a couple of points finishes.

    Arthur Leclerc moved to Formula 3, also with Prema. Finished 10th in the Championship (with his teammates 1st and 8th, in their second seasons in F3) but Leclerc did win two races. He'll probably be looking for a title challenge in F3 in 2022, if he stays at that level.

    Rasmussen moved to Formula 3 as well, and finished well down the order. 25th in the standings with a best finish of 12th. His teammate Nannini managed a race win and a further podium, finishing 14th in the Championship with 44 points. Rasmussen's 2021 F3 season is about on par with Sophia Floersch's 2020 season, who was only 19 at the time (Chadwick is now 23).

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    It's hard to make comparisons, but Chadwick got soundly beaten in a series where she should have had an advantage, by a bunch of teammates who don't exactly have the junior records of future F1 champions. Maybe there's a reason for that, maybe she's developed since, who knows. I think W Series could be a good idea, and for it to succeed Chadwick really needs to get a seat in F3 with a decent team, and at least not look out of her depth. Otherwise it'll be really hard to justify the series.

    Looking at the 2021 W Series, despite 20 drivers taking part in equal machinery, Chadwick (23), Alice Powell (28) and Kimilainen (32) were really a level above everyone else. They won all 8 races and took 17/24 podium places, with only one other driver getting more than one podium. Fair play to Abbi Pulling (18), who was able to come into the series for 4 of the last 6 races, and finish 8th, 7th, 4th, 2nd - enough for 7th in the Championship and guaranteed participation in 2022.

    If the point of W Series is to attract attention and get more women into motorsport, then I think it's serving a purpose as clearly the likes of Chadwick are getting much more media attention than they'd have got otherwise. However, the way in which 3 drivers have dominated the series, and the way an 18 year old can come in and look much more comfortable than two season veterans (with several more years experience in motorsport too), does rather beg the question of whether there's enough talent to justify running a W Series championship. If the aim is to get women into higher tier racing, would the funding would be better spent on scholarships for the likes of Chadwick, Powell and Pulling?
     
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    While she has done well in w series the competition hasn't been great but I think that is part of the issue. In that girls have not seen role models competitively driving so they haven't been attracted to carting at an early age. This means that it's going to take the next 5 years for girls to progress from carts through the ranks after they have been encouraged by w series. It's almost like w series is not going to create an F1 driver for a good few seasons but they are working with the limited talent they have (just due to lack of childhood experience) to boost the uptake of women in in motorsport on the expectation there are girls/women out there who could have their hidden skills nurtured given the incentive that it is possible for a woman to be competitive in f1.
     
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    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Rich girls prefer horses over karts. I'm going by my own experience of my family, all the boys raced, all the women rode horses. My sister did both, but preferred the horses. My nieces 6 & 8, like karting, and are very sporty, but if given a choice would choose to muck out and groom a horse instead.
    I've been working on them getting into racing all their lives, I think the younger would be pretty good tbh.

    Not saying we were rich, but opportunities to do it were there.

    and role models are usually good, they won't be a role models if they're spanked by Mazepin regularly.
    (by spanked I mean beaten in a car race. I think I should make that clear, as it's a female and Mazepin.)
     
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    They're not back, they'll just do anything for publicity. There's no team on the grid giving them a prime spot on their livery for less than £10m/yr paid up front, with cast iron guarantees that they can't use F1 to promote Rich Energy until the cash is in the teams' account.
     
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    They're not back, they'll just do anything for publicity. There's no team on the grid giving them a prime spot on their livery for less than £10m/yr paid up front, with cast iron guarantees that they can't use F1 to promote Rich Energy until the cash is in the teams' account.
     
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    Yes I get that , perhaps I should have that clearer in my post .
     
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    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Is their drink even ready yet?
    And they sponsored a super bike team, OMG racing, though whether the team existed or raced and wasn't just 2 bikes with digital branding I have no idea, their website is a blank white page.
    I might buy some of their branded clobber, might be worth something in 10 years for it's novelty value. nothing more than a tenner though.

    I'll be honest, in a non F1 sense I think he's great, top blagger.
     
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    He’s certainly entertaining !
     
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    To return to the W-Series chat, The Race have spoken to Abbi Pulling about her 2021 W-Series campaign:
    https://the-race.com/junior/the-2022-w-series-title-contender-bound-to-get-f1s-attention/

    I think this really highlights the strength of W Series for young drivers. She had a very promising first season in British F4, then her 2021 campaign sounds pretty disastrous and she ran out of money.

    Her W Series performances earned her a guaranteed place on the grid next season, and she'd have to have a terrible year to go from being talked up as a 2022 title contender to not qualifying for 2023 (below 8th in the standings).

    It means she's got a focus for the next two seasons on winning W series, and can make longer term plans for 2023 or 2024, when she'll still only be 20 or 21 years old, and have funding secured from W Series to use for F3 or similar.
     
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    Seems to be lots of rumours that Audi have bought McLaren Group including F1!!! McLaren saying that they haven't sold - not that they are not just it hasn't happened yet !
    We have all seen McL selling off historic stuff, refinancing, then selling and leasing back HQ at the same time going into Indy?

    I think it would be sad to McL go but would be a quick and easy way for Audi to get good team in F1. Think their alternatives are buy Haas but they have limited skills internally as chassis is Dallara and most other stuff is Ferrari so not good foundations. Williams - I doubt they would sell so quick but you never know. Sauber/Alfa maybe but again how much is Ferrari? They are based more in Europe so that might help. Plus Sauber has just had a sale fall through so Audi probably know more about that so they could dive in and get a bargain?
     
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    Really hope McLaren don't wind up being bought by a manufacturer. That would be an utter disaster for me.
     
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    Me too- would be awful to see the independents disappear.

    McLaren are a bonafide part of the grid and whilst I wouldn’t be against a works partnership with Audi in principle (although being a Mercedes customer is no bad thing these days), I wouldn’t want McLaren selling up.

    They may end up taking Alfa who are apparantly more and more distanced from Ferrari.
     
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    The Alpha sale fall through isn’t that bad from what I read . The Sauber owner Fin Rausing was willing to sell to the Andrettis for 300 million , but wanted them to guarantee an extra 250 million so the team would still survive if sponsorship fell through .

    He clearly loves the team .
     
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    right the new season won't be long in coming so this should be interesting. I can't see more than one or two teams getting the new regs right. the 18 inch tyres with the low profile is going to have an absolutely massive impact on suspension. Mercedes have locked in a vast engine improvement (dodgy) already and the aero changes are massive.

    It only takes one of the three areas to not be working for a team to fall off a cliff.
     
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    When do we get the vote to decide who wins the 2022 title? Just looking to cut out the middle man and save myself some time.
     
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    :) We could have a poll if you like but Masi could just to decide to overturn our decision :)
     
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