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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 27th October)

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  1. ellandback

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    Good Morning, It's Wednesday 27th October, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road.


    Leeds dumped out of Carabao Cup

    Second half goals from Calum Chambers and Eddie Nketiah were enough to dump Leeds out of the league Cup, but they didn't have it all their own way. The Whites more than held their own during the first 45 minutes and could have been two-up at the break. James latched onto a long through ball, found himself one on one with Bernd Leno, but couldn't find a way around the German shot stopper. Harrison too had a fantastic opportunity to break the deadlock, but his half volley (following a corner) produced a great save from Leno.

    Leeds lost their way after the break, and soon went behind. Leeds were unable to clear their lines, following a corner. Chamber's first touch of the ball since coming on as a substitute looked like it had produced a World-class save by Meslier, but upon closer inspection had crept over the line. Twenty minutes from time Nketiah made the game safe for the Gunners. Cooper's headed back pass seemed to hover in the air for an eternity before the former Leeds loanee nipped in, chipped Meslier and tucked the ball into an empty net.

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    I know what Leeds should have done last Summer


    Leeds had the opportunity to buy Nketiah during the Summer for 12m, but snubbed the chance. Whilst Bamford is our preferred choice, not having a replacement goalscorer in our squad in case of injury or fatigue is surely ludicrous. The 22yo has always been a predator in front of goal, as he has proved for his Country, scoring sixteen times in seventeen appearances for the England U21's.

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    Leeds gave up after conceding first goal

    Phil Hay insinuated that Leeds all but gave up following going behind at the Emirates last night. Calum Chambers broke the deadlock with 35 minutes still remaining to salvage something out of the game, but the Elland Road journalist more or less believes that the visitors were just going through the motions!

    "It seemed to Bielsa that Arsenal’s first goal had all but nailed down Leeds’ 2-0 defeat, game over in that instant. Nonetheless, a home team who looked vulnerable prior to half-time morphed into a team who were allowed to go through the motions, without any significant input on the part of Mikel Arteta. Leeds had a reason to fight with the quarter-finals at stake but Arsenal got their claws into their underbelly and did not let go. There were two more subs from Bielsa later on, Sam Greenwood and Crysencio Summerville for Rodrigo and Dan James, but the “freshness” he sought from them was not about to turn the night. It was already a case of playing out time".

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    Bielsa takes responsibility (again)

    Marcelo Bielsa was quick to take responsibility for poor substitutions, and misreading the game following the clash at the Emirates last night.

    “Of course I’m describing intentions,” Bielsa said. “I make myself responsible for the effect of (the substitutions). We wanted to fortify our offensive game in the second half and we didn’t manage to achieve this. The reading of the game and the solutions I opted for were not the correct ones. Clearly the differences between the first half and the second half were there.”

    Can anyone suggest a game when Bielsa has made substitutions that have positively effected Leeds?

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  2. hemase

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    Morning all,

    Main points from last night for me.

    Going out of the cup not the worst thing in the world.

    Bielsa obviously had a plan regarding playing time for certain players. How that affected the match is plain to see but if we had no desire to win the cup then that plan was more important.

    Drameh looks good. Ayling must be looking say him and Shack and realising he will need to come back in top form and that is only a good thing.

    Going back to comments I made about klich after Saturday last night only backed them up. I'm not calling out players but we completely lost the midfield when he came on. He may find his form again but at the moment he only seems to make us weaker.

    Roberts once again taking pelters on twitter just for being picked. This is a genuine exchange I had at half time when I challenged someone I think was just an hater.

    "Was Roberts even playing?"
    "Well he had three shots, one on target forcing a save. That's the highest of any player on the pitch."
    "Yeah well that shot was just passed to him and he just swung his leg out to hit it."

    Isn't that how football is played? The anti Roberts bias is so bad that him doing football is called out. Everyone got their wish when he was swapped for Joffy. Nothing against him but he certainly made less of an impact then Roberts last night.

    Cooper haters soon forget how good he has been this season with one mistake last night. Yes it was the mistake we all know he has in him.
     
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  3. Doc

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    Last night was a disaaarster darling as some gay guy on strictly likes to say. We put out a good team and should have been up at half time. James and Harrison were the main culprits for a lack of decent balls for Rodrigo or anyone else to latch onto. Harrison had a couple of digs at goal but in the main he was greedy and took on shots when a simple pass would have probably meant a goal. He even took credit for a great cross that was just too high for Rodrigo but in my view it was a shot. Disappointed doesnt cover it. I think Bielsa had a plan to swap players and save them and besides Roberts getting hooked after 6 mins of the restart the other subs added nothing and the problem was that Meslier had 2 mares. Why was he behind the goal line for the first and the cock up with Cooper and fast eddy was comedy gold. Highlight was Cody Drameh dealing with it all after an uncomfortable first few minutes.

    Elland asks why we never bought a striker but the answer was given my Bielsa last season. We have Bamford, followed by Roberts and we can also play Rodrigo there. So theres your answer Ell Roberts is behind Bamford but thats obviously changed as Bielsa has decided Roberts is in fact not a striker so Rodrigo is it. But can we please stop talking about needing a striker because if you dont get any balls into them he isnt going to score. Some players like Harrison, James, Klich, Roberts need a bollocking and told to do their job instead of going for goal themselves or failing to get a cross in because they took one touch too many
     
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  4. NostradEmus

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    Positive subs, and in line with the topic, would be Nketiah coming on and scoring against Brentford at home and Nketiah coming on and rescuing a point at Barnsley in a 2-2 draw.
     
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  5. ellandback

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    Anything in the big boy league?
     
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  6. Brendan Sheerin

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    Thought we started well last night. Then the goal came and we just lost control of the game.

    I'm not sure whats happened, but we're not playing like a well oiled machine that I would expect at this point...
     
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  7. NostradEmus

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    Oh, you're changing the rules then.

    OK, maybe Rodrigo coming off the bench to score against Man City at home and gain a point.

    Maybe taking Struijk off after 20 minutes away against Villa last season when he was one more foul away from a red card. It was 0-0 at the time. We went on to win 3-0.

    That takes us to around October in both the Championship season with Nketiah and the first season in the PL.

    How about him continually dragging Kalvin off after 20 minutes in his first few games because he wasn't doing what he was told. We now have an England International worth up to 80 million quid.

    Do you mean that kind of thing?
     
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  8. hemase

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    Because the well oiled machine has been and still is missing some of its most important parts and the replacement parts haven't quite got it running the same
     
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  9. bucks_is_leeds

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    We haven't the bench for tried and tested impact subs, so its always a gamble.

    Morning all <ok>
     
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    Gelhardt against Wolves?
     
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  11. NostradEmus

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    Regarding the Roberts criticism.

    Put it one way. We looked far more creative and solid with Phillips, Roberts and Forshaw in the middle than Phillips, Klich and Rodrigo/Greenwood.

    Harrison and Rodrigo looked incredibly dangerous in the first half. They will fade away when we can't get the service to him.

    Our problems stem from not having a decent midfielder to play with Phillips. Klich isn't anywhere near, Forshaw needs to stay fit. Roberts is not at a level to push us on. Rodrigo just doesn't track back when playing midfield. In January just go and get Harrison Reed from Fulham. He has energy by the boatload and keeps possession well. Give them 8 million plus Klich/Roberts and we have a 25 year old upgrade already with PL experience.
     
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  12. Doc

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    I wondered what triggered Bielsa to hook Tyler Roberts off, but if Andy Townsend is right we may see Roberts gone in January. Now Im no Roberts fan but he did ok in places last night but fell down as usual around the area. He took a touch too much and failed to put in Rodrigo for a tap in and he took too many touches then scuffed a shot at goal. But if this is true its bye bye

    Townsend said: “When Tyler Roberts lost control of that ball, in his own half, Bielsa was not happy at all – arms were up in the air, he turned away in disgust. And literally within that second he turned to Gelhardt and said you’re going on.”
     
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    That doesn't count to some fans because Gelhardt should have started or something.
     
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  14. hemase

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    I think Geldhart for Roberts was another one of the planned subs to give Joffy more time.


    I was really pleased to see forshaw do well last night. We looked so much better with a natural midfielder with Phillips. Hopefully he can stay fit and keep doing well.

    With Drameh doing ok could we look at Forshaw or Shack with Phillips on Sunday to give us a better midfield? Keeps the off firm klich out the side and puts round pegs in round holes helping other players do their thing better
     
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    you hide it so well doc!
     
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  16. ellandback

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    Yes, good examples, but for every good example, there are many more bad.
     
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    Gelhardt should have got game time as soon as Bamford was injured. Like for like!
     
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    Also an under 23 player so you can’t just put him in ahead of Rodrigo who has played number 9 for Spain or Roberts who has played a lot more senior football. Now that should change due to the Wolves game.
     
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  19. Doc

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    Think its an oversimplification to just throw an U23 into a starter for the first team. Cody Drameh did well overall last night playing the full match. We also saw Joffy shattered after half hour against Wolves. Lots of nervous energy draining your body when expectations and self targets involved. It takes time to bed kids in as each has their own targets. I think Joffy will be more ready next time and find it easier but still dont think hes ready for a full 90mins yet, maybe next week? Im his biggest fan but you can also damage a kids career when so much is on their shoulders, he has high expectations on him more than anyone else in the 23s
     
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    But what the hell is Rodrigo doing playing centre forward. You might as well put Meslier there!

    Rodrigo is not a goalscorer. He is a really important part of the team.
     
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