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Game Over For Ole

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  1. Chief

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    The problem with sticking with Solskjaer is if we do manage to not lose the next three games all of a sudden he could be flavour of the month again! (although the reality is that yesterday made his position untenable so probably not).

    They should keep him there and start looking for the next manager. Publicly.

    Sod anything else, act like they actually mean business and not try to sugar coat a ****e situation.

    The idea of Phelan being in temporary charge fills me with dread for a start.

    It seems anyone suggesting bringing someone in a not immediately permanent role, while they try to sort things, has been loudly shouted down by those who know better than us, so the only way forward is it being recruitment of the next permanent manager while Ole holds on the last remnants of his job.
     
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    Funnily enough that did cross my mind <laugh>

    I think that's the best course of action. But the board have to earn their money here. If they simply hire Conte because he's got a rep and because he's available, that to me is setting us up to fail again in the long-term.
     
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    That much is obvious from the years of wastage since. Waste in terms of players brought in and sold, waste in terms of leadership at the top.

    United boast being the biggest club in the world. Time to show it. Bring in the best who can and would be happy to come. And if it means taking a punt by giving a permanent contract to someone like Conte. and if it could mean sacking him in a short period and give him a massive compo. So be it. Nothing is certain in this world. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If Conte is a better manager then we should recruit him full stop. None of this long term strategy or fitting with the club culture stuff. Its been tried with Moyes and has failed. We need an elite manager who has done it and not afraid to make difficult decisions with diva players.
     
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    I don't disagree but it can't just be because Conte's the best of what's available IF he's unsuitable.

    There's two ways we can go here - go for a well established big name like City did with Pep, or go for a manager who's doing it at a lesser club but is proving himself to be a very good manager ready for the next level, like Livpl did with Klopp. Do either but the board HAVE to do their homework and earn their money here.
     
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    I think you are very close to the truth. If he doesn’t get sacked in the next 48 hours, he will be given the next few games ( probably more than 3) and then reassessed. If he does well, they will keep him. No if he is humiliated this time by Pep. He is nearer the sack than he’s ever been. For me he has to go. It’s like being humiliated at the last general election as the leader of your party. You don’t get to keep your role and you have to give someone else a chance.
     
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    In this respect, Conte could be the best bet interim manage in all but actual name.

    It seems obvious that he comes in and has some good early success, then gets itchy feet or whatever and leaves after a couple of years.

    That might actually be ideal. As long as they are not foolish enough to give up a long term contract, get him on board in the knowledge that he'll be gone by year three and also be looking at who his successor is straight away.

    Called long term planning, of which we have had **** all since Ferguson left. Well, soon as Moyes was deemed unsuitable.
     
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    Looking at us over the last 18 months, do you wish Moyes'd been given the time Ferguson was?
     
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    I wouldn’t mind Conte as I said earlier. Yes he could difficult to work with, he’s got a massive ego, he wants to have his own way etc (mind you not such negatives after nice guy Ole). What is imperative is a guy with experience and acumen. He seems to have both.
     
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    I did think about this for a few seconds but then no. When he said to the players:”You are champions you’ve done it before. You’ve got to show me how to do it! “. He was clearly unsuitable for such a big job. He’s ok to take a club to the CL probably just like Ole but not good enough to bring the title or big trophies.
     
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    He definitely should have been.

    He wasn't even give a full season, which is pretty disgraceful considering that Solskjaer has been deemed worthy of exactly that.
     
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    But then fans and management (and players) had completely lost confidence in him by the time he was sacked. According to Evra in his autobiography Moyes admitted that was completely out of his depth and asked for advice from his players. The management consulted the senior players and only then sacked him. It was a continuous slide from the day he was appointed. Ole is a yo yo manager. Good runs followed by poor ones and then good ones. He was also bound to get more time as a hero of the club.
     
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    I'm going to take what Evra said with a pinch of salt, this is a manager who had been in the top half of the premier for over a decade, with quite a few top 6 and Euro games. I think you had, and still have, quite a few big time Charlies, and they were the first people shown the door. Our 2 biggest signings, by quite a margin, out the door almost asap for a 75% loss. We were surprised Sullivan agreed to it, would the Glazers sanction a £200m loss, you won't even let Pogba go and he's the epitome' of why you'll never challenge for the title.
     
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    Some of the stuff Moyes said were ridiculous, and I was critical of one of two of his comments as anyone, but Ole has got away with similar.

    They've just never taken the correct or similar approach on any of the manager we've had. van Gaal won the FA cup and was sacked the same day, Ole failed in a dismal manner to win the EL at the end of last season yet was rewarded with a contract extension.

    I fully understand that van Gaal wasn't working out but then i also thought that about Solskjaer at the end of last season.

    This should have happened then, instead they'll do it mid season like they did with Moyes.
     
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    There's a real SkySports mentality with fans who don't watch clubs enough but make easy judgements. Ronaldo, Pogba, it'll be Bruno next, then Sancho. Each are struggling to perform so let's blame them because they're an easy target and we heard Jamie Rednapp say so <doh>.

    The reason we won't be challenging for the title has little to do with their price tag or them. It's the manager, the coaching team and the hierarchy at the club.
     
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    I wonder if Ole will bow to the obvious this weekend and completely change his tried (and allegedly trusted for some bizarre reason) formation of 4 3 5 1?

    He just has to.

    We've got players who suit 4 3 3 . If you look at Liverpool's midfield three of Keita, Henderson and Milner from yesterday, is Fred, van de Beek and Fernandes not of at least a similar level?

    You'd then have a front three of (left to right) Rashford or Ronaldo, Cavani (or Greenwood) and then Sancho on the right (or Greenwood).

    Not everyone can play all at once, they just need to be told they're sub on any given day ffs, surely.

    Martial and Pogba can both disappear to wherever they want in the next window and we move on without them.

    Then coach them the new formation and game plan.
     
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    On Pogba, I can understand him being massively pissed off at not getting in the team ahead of Fred and McTominay, but his attitude when he did come on smacked of someone not wanting to be there.

    Fine then, leave. It's never going to work out is it?


    Give van de Beek a chance.
     
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    Yeh completely agree. But the point he's reached that you describe is a symptom of the underlying problems at the club, not the cause of it.

    I can understand everyone wants to have their say because it's Manchester United. But if those looking in want to blame him or Ronaldo, they really haven't got a clue.
     
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    If we go for ZZ then I suspect Pogba would stay - so no ZZ please !!
     
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    Ronaldo is a machine who has been consistently brilliant for well over a decade, Pogba is consistently great for 2 or 3 games, then average, then poor. From a playing point of view, I don't know why you want to keep him.
     
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    I agree with that 100%!
     
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