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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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  1. Goldhawk-Road

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    Sadiq Khan on George Floyd: "Brutal murder" vs Sadiq Khan on David Amess: "Passed away"
     
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    I was hoping she'd carry on driving
     
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    Huge news if true. He probably keeps his ketchup in the fridge too the absolute bastard.
     
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    What a truly scary place.

    Balloon plane :emoticon-0136-giggl

     
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    He's just plain biased and happy to downplay what is likely to be an act of Islamic terrorism.
     
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    This is what he said on Twitter -

    "I am so deeply, deeply saddened by the tragic news that Sir David has passed away. He loved being an MP and was a great public servant."

    Downplaying a brutal killing where the victim was stabbed multiple times in cold blood
     
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    He/his advisors know what they are doing with this, look at the language used to describe the ‘boiler police’ who are seen as the enemy, even if they don’t actually exist, in this piece.

    the Greenshirts of the Boiler Police are not going to kick in your door with their sandal-clad feet and seize, at carrot-point, your trusty old combi.
     
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  9. Bwood_Ranger

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    Perhaps you’re reading too much into it.
     
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    Parliament discussing ending online anonymity in response to a terrorist attack.

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    DAN WOOTTON: Almost everything our politicians have said since the wicked murder of David Amess is utterly irrelevant and deliberate misdirection to stop us reflecting on where the real threat to our democracy lies
    By DAN WOOTTON FOR MAILONLINE

    PUBLISHED: 03:57 AEDT, 19 October 2021 | UPDATED: 05:23 AEDT, 19 October 2021




    Did Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner plumb the depths of public discourse when she referred to Conservative party members as 'Tory scum'? Without doubt.

    Was the physical assault that followed on former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith, who was hit in the neck with a traffic cone as he walked to his party's conference in Manchester, abhorrent? Absolutely.

    Is it totally unacceptable that almost all high-profile politicians, journalists, broadcasters, sportspeople and public figures – including me – receive death threats and other unconscionable attacks anonymously on social media on a daily basis? Definitely.

    But did any of that have anything to do with the barbaric suspected terrorist act that resulted in the murder of MP Sir Davis Amess on Friday? Not one jot.

    I have watched dumbfounded over the past 72-hours at the near total disconnect between what we know about the suspected terrorist and the humbuggery from the media and political class around why this tragedy happened.

    A conversation about online anonymity or civility in politics may well be important, but, let's be real for one damn minute, it's totally irrelevant here.

    Amess' suspected killer Ali Harbi Ali wasn't some sort of partisan keyboard warrior trolling Sir David with vicious and unsettling abuse.

    Everything we know about this 25-year-old of Somali heritage – including from the police – suggests he was an Islamist extremist, radicalised right here in the UK, probably wanting to kill an elected representative.

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    DAN WOOTTON: I have watched dumbfounded over the past 72-hours at the near total disconnect between what we know about the suspected terrorist and the humbuggery from the media and political class around why this tragedy happened

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    DAN WOOTTON: A conversation about online anonymity or civility in politics may well be important, but, let's be real for one damn minute, it's totally irrelevant here

    Obviously, he has not yet been charged with any crime and is innocent before proven guilty, but Scotland Yard said on Friday: 'The fatal stabbing in Leigh-on-Sea has tonight been declared as a terrorist incident, with the investigation being led by Counter Terrorism Policing. The early investigation has revealed a potential motivation linked to Islamist extremism.'

    We must talk about that.

    And in fairness, British newspapers have been doing their job in uncovering a disturbing trove of information about this young man, which is chillingly familiar to the homegrown terrorists who have struck before.

    The Daily Mail revealed today the alleged killer was referred to the government's flagship counter-extremism programme Prevent when he was still at school.

    The Sun quoted former friends claiming he was radicalised after watching YouTube videos of hate preacher Anjem Choudary.

    The Daily Telegraph reported that police and security services are certain his broad motivation was to strike down an MP to further the Islamist cause spouted by groups such as al Qaeda, Islamic State and especially al Shabaab, which is active in Somalia, where his family are from.

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    I can think of a multitude of questions more important at this moment that need urgent investigation than the toxicity of social media.

    Why isn't the Prevent programme working and how can it be prioritised so the young people being radicalised can be stopped before it's too late?

    How can we get to young men who have spent a large proportion of the past 20 months locked in their bedrooms being influenced by radical preachers?

    And, if we're talking about social media, why do the big tech giants continue to allow a platform for hate preachers like Choudary specifically designed to create young British terrorists? It's been well over four years since YouTube and Facebook were shamed for continuing to host videos about how to make suicide bombs and yet here we are.

    But asking those questions in 2021 runs the risk of going against the woke orthodoxy and being accused of Islamophobia.

    That creates the most bizarre tone of debate, with an almost wilful blindness about what probably occurred.

    Consider London Mayor Sadiq Khan, who initially said Amess had 'passed away', as if he had been lost to the world from natural causes rather than brutally killed in a likely terrorist attack.

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    DAN WOOTTON: I can think of a multitude of questions more important at this moment that need urgent investigation than the toxicity of social media. Why isn't the Prevent programme working and how can it be prioritised so the young people being radicalised can be stopped before it's too late?

    Labour's Shadow Culture Minister Alison McGovern wrote a lengthy column for The Guardian headlined: 'Political debate has coarsened. We MPs can take the lead in restoring calm and respect.'

    In 883 heartfelt words there were criticisms of the 'tone' of the political media, politicians being 'forever at war' with themselves, 'security consequences' and 'social media norms' needing to change. But there was not one word about terrorism or the Islamic extremist ideology that continues to be a serious threat.

    Homegrown Islamist terrorism has been responsible for a host of attacks in the past two decades, from 7/7 to the Manchester Arena atrocity, claiming 20 lives in the last five years alone.

    And we know that last year the MI5 was investigating 3,000 extremists, with another pool of 40,000 potential radicals.

    Far from this being an isolated incident, 31 planned terrorist attacks have been stopped by authorities in the past four years.

    I was particularly struck by Sohail Ahmed of the national security think tank The Henry Jackson Society, who was previously subjected to an Islamic radicalisation attempt, and was one of the few voices in the media accurately dealing with the matters at hand.

    Speaking on GB News this afternoon, he said: 'When it comes to Islamist extremism in particular, I would say that the Islamist ideology creates this structure that funnels genuine grievances that people have and perhaps mental health issues into a particular direction, a direction towards violence. Extremism is far more prevalent than when I was in school.'

    We should be hearing the voice of Sohail, who turned back on this form of extremism, much more in the mainstream media this week and learning from his experiences.

    Sir David Amess was a great man – that rare politician not in it for himself; the type of MP you want to have representing you.

    I am delighted Boris Johnson and the Queen have accorded Southend city status, fulfilling his passionate decades-long campaign posthumously. What a legacy.

    But we also owe it to Sir David to properly discuss the circumstances behind his death.

    This murder was nothing to do with the nastiness of social media or coarsened political debate.

    It is strongly suspected that it was about jihadi terror which doesn't care whether we are naughty or nice on social media or in a TV debate.

    Only acknowledging that and, if the man under arrest is charged and found guilty and the motive for the murder is as suspected, attempting to stop the scourge of Islamic radicalisation of young British-born men will contribute to ensuring this type of attack never happens again.

    But what hope do we have, if most of our leaders don't even want to talk about it?
     
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  12. kiwiqpr

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    whens the gifting season
    do they mean christmas
     
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    Make your home greener to get a mortgage
    Ministers plan to link home loans to better insulation

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    Home buyers face having to improve the energy efficiency of their new properties under the terms of their mortgage as part of government plans to decarbonise Britain’s housing stock.

    Mortgage lenders will have to disclose the energy efficiency of homes they lend money for and set themselves targets to improve the insulation of buildings in their portfolio.

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    However, it will lead to fears that new buyers could find it hard to get a mortgage unless they commit to spending potentially thousands of pounds on home improvements.

    The plan is part of the
     
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  16. Goldhawk-Road

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    Nice, but before this becomes a trend, people need to be sure they don't fall foul of false imprisonment laws
     
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    A teenage neo-Nazi who plotted to shoot an Asian friend who he likened to a "cockroach" has been locked up for more than 11 years.

    Matthew Cronjager, 18, tried to get hold of a 3D printed gun or a sawn-off shotgun to kill his target, because he "slept with white chicks".

    Following a trial at the Old Bailey, Cronjager was found guilty of preparing for acts of terrorism and disseminating terrorist publications on Telegram, an online messaging platform.

    The court heard that the teenager had set himself up as the "boss" of a right-wing terror cell and created an online library to share right-wing propaganda and explosives-making manuals.

    An undercover police officer, who had infiltrated a Telegram group called The British Hand, managed to scupper Cronjager's plans.

    On the first day of his trial, Cronjager - originally from Ingatestone in Essex - admitted four charges of possessing terror documents.

    On Tuesday, the defendant was sentenced to a total of 11 years and four months in youth detention.

    Judge Mark Lucraft QC told him: "In giving evidence in the trial it was obvious that you are a bright and intelligent young man.

    "In a way that makes the content of some of the messages you sent all the more troubling.

    "In my view you are someone who played a leading role in terrorist activity where the preparations were not far advanced."

    The judge noted character references he had received from Cronjager's parents and others who had known him for many years.

    However, he added: "Some of the letters state that you pose no threat and where there is no victim.

    "I should simply say that those are matters that are at odds with the evidence in the messaging in this case and with the victim impact statement."

    Cronjager's victim had said in his statement that he felt "sad, hurt and betrayed".

    He told police he thought Cronjager was joking, but later said "it broke his heart" to hear what he had been planning.

    "The strange thing was it wasn't just the fact that Matt was plotting to kill me that hurt initially, it was the fact that we had been having serious conversations about our future, and we had been exchanging Christmas greetings, meanwhile in the background he was planning to make that my last Christmas, that really hurt."

    The court heard the victim was left "simmering with anger" towards Cronjager and "on the brink of self harm".

    Lawyer Tim Forte said Cronjager "bitterly regrets" the harm he caused and offered an apology.

    In mitigation, Mr Forte argued that "young" and "immature" Cronjager could yet be integrated into society.

    The court had previously heard how the defendant wanted a "revolution" based on his fascist beliefs, including hatred of non-white people, Jews, Muslims and those with a different sexual orientation to his.

    He had offered to lead the UK division of an extreme right-wing group calling itself Exiled 393, telling members that his time as an army cadet had given him the necessary skills.

    Cronjager even suggested setting up a collective PayPal account to buy weapons and other items for the group.

    In one message, he wrote: "I was thinking more of having it to buy things like big tents or a 3D printer maybe for creating bits of 'art'," said to be code for guns.

    In further messages to the undercover officer in December, he and Cronjager discussed arranging a drop-off location for 3D printed guns, the court heard, and of the supplier needing more money to pay for materials.

    On the same day, Cronjager formulated his plot to kill his former friend after he boasted to him of sleeping with three white women.

    The defendant told the undercover officer: "I've found someone I want to execute.

    "I know it's an overall target and he's a sand n***** that f***** a white girl.

    "In fact I think three of them.

    "I figure we could just 'find' a double barrel shotgun and saw it down for things like this."

    Cronjager then added: "They're like cockroaches", the court heard.

    When asked if his former friend had raped the girls, he allegedly replied: "Nope, but it's a violation of nature.

    "We're not supposed to mix race ... it's not rape by legal definition but it's kind of like rape if that makes sense.

    "Violation at least."

    Cronjager attempted to explain his behaviour by claiming to police he was a member of anti-fascist organisation Antifa.

    But during his trial he accepted he had held extreme far-right views, saying he now felt "ashamed and disgusted" by them.

    The jury was told that the defendant was on the autism disorder spectrum, with a mild level of severity, and had a high IQ.

    Cronjager was sentenced to a total of 11 years and four months in youth detention.

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  19. kiwiqpr

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    deserves it too
     
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    Poland passes law that anyone who had come from a safe country is immediately sent back.

    Also they will be banned from entering the country for a period of between six months and three years.

    The Poles are also building a wall.
     
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