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Geordies Takeover.

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Brucebones, Oct 6, 2021.

  1. dennisboothstash

    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    When the owners are finished with them…
     
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  2. Brucebones

    Brucebones Well-Known Member

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    There was a rumour last year he was looking at City if he sold Newcastle, anyone know if there was any truth in that?
     
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  3. originallambrettaman

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    None.
     
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  4. HullPhil

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    Because we've no assets to raid?
     
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  5. balkan tiger

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    Spoil sport.
     
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  6. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Newcastle fans speak of suffering but what about actual suffering in Saudi Arabia?
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    There used to be a sport over there.

    Football has never been pure. There have always been the rich looking to improve their reputations by investing in clubs. Even in its amateur days, football was rotten, amateurism itself by the end a carapace to try to stop the working classes taking over the game.

    Clubs have always been owned by dictators, drug barons, conmen and shysters. And yet, in England certainly, a spirit somehow endured. Clubs became emblematic of their regions, repositories of the spirit of the local people. Nowhere was that more true than Newcastle, where the stadium stands on a hill over the city, a clearly visible part of the skyline. And now it is just another club owned by a foreign state, oligarch, billionaire or hedge fund, another heritage asset sold off to an overseas investor, a pawn in the bigger games of global capitalism and diplomatic policy.

    Which makes the footage of fans at St James’ Park on Thursday, gleefully singing about getting their club back, desperately poignant. It’s hard to imagine a means by which it could be more profoundly taken away. It is owned by the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia, a kingdom described in the House of Commons three years ago by the MP for Newcastle Central, Chi Onwurah, as “a murderous state”.

    PIF is, the Premier League insists, a “separate” entity to the state of Saudi Arabia. Perhaps if you say the word often enough you might even be able to persuade yourself it’s true. Nothing, after all, says separate quite like the fact that it is chaired by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman.

    The entities are so separate, in fact, that on the PIF board sits Majid al-Qasabi, the acting media minister responsible for ending the piracy by beoutQ of the Doha-based broadcaster beIN Sports. The restoration of beIN’s licence in Saudi Arabia required PIF to engage directly with the Saudi General Authority for Competition. What could be more separate than that?

    The Premier League speaks of having legally binding guarantees of separation, although quite what those are is hard to ascertain. After all, getting independent legal advice in Saudi Arabia is all but impossible, and the idea of the Premier League taking legal action against the Saudi state is frankly laughable, given its failure to initiate civil action in Saudi Arabia over beoutQ. (Which is one of the biggest problems of modern football governance: many of the owners are so wealthy as to be in effect unaccountable.)

    Does the Premier League care? Bird & Bird, a law firm operating for the Premier League, employed a number of experts to investigate whether there is indeed separation between PIF and the Saudi state. At least three of them concluded there was not, with one submitting Saudi government documents that described the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia as the ultimate beneficiary owner of PIF. All three speak of having been ignored since July, when the Qatari chairman of beIN, the president of Paris Saint-Germain, Nasser al-Khelaifi, first had informal talks with PIF in Doha, a necessary step in breaking the impasse.

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    Amanda Staveley and her husband, Mehrdad Ghodoussi, met the Newcastle staff after the controversial takeover. Photograph: Serena Taylor/Newcastle United/Getty Images
    The Premier League points out that piracy was not the reason for the takeover initially being blocked. Rather PIF had not filled in form four, relating to the directors and owners test. It completed that form only after the piracy issue had been resolved; it seems reasonable to suggest that it didn’t complete that form until it knew it would pass. Dialogue has been going on for several months; that a solution has been found must be a relief to all concerned, given Bin Salman’s warning to Boris Johnson that Anglo-Saudi relations would suffer if the deal continued to be blocked.

    As it is, the idea of separation is a useful fig leaf for everybody. It means football – the Premier League, fans, the media – can get on with watching sport without having to worry about women’s rights or gay rights or the rights of religious minorities. We can get on with talking about whether Newcastle might be signing Philippe Coutinho or Eden Hazard rather than worrying about the murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi or the jailed blogger Raif Badawi.

    Fans speak of entering a new era of hope and excitement, a self-absorption that feels sadly typical of the age. They talk of their suffering, for that is the great currency of modern fandom. Liverpool fans suffered through the 30-year drought between league titles, when they won only the four League Cups, three FA Cups and a Champions League; Manchester City fans suffered their years of being a well-liked laughing stock; nobody, apparently, can understand the suffering of a Newcastle fan whose average position in the 14 years of Mike Ashley’s reign has been 13th. Everybody suffers, and that can be used to justify, it seems, almost anything, even if that means ignoring actual suffering, the sort that happens in a jail cell or a prison yard or a discreet room in a consulate.

    Ian Lavery, the MP for Wansbeck and a Newcastle season-ticket holder, was so disgusted by the sponsorship deal with the payday loans company Wonga that he vowed never to set foot in St James’ again until they had gone. Yet last year he sent a letter to the digital, culture, media and sport select committee of MPs to try to force the Premier League to explain its decision to block the takeover.

    Onwurah’s concerns about Saudi Arabia have seemingly vanished and as she praised fans for supporting the takeover, she was thanked by Amanda Staveley’s husband, Mehrdad Ghodoussi, when the deal was complete.

    But actually this isn’t complicated. For all the obfuscations and hypocrisy, all the equivocation and whataboutery, there is only one question Newcastle fans and football more generally needs to ask: how do you feel about torture and murder?
     
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  7. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    Some of the abuse Steve Bruce has got whist there is nothing short of disgusting. His record is not dissimilar to Benitez, but Rafa is regarded as a God. Very strange.
     
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  8. balkan tiger

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    He also got them relegated I think, although they stuck with him and they got promoted. (?)

    Did hero Alan Shearer also take them down?
     
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  9. Saf

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    He certainly did :emoticon-0150-hands
     
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  10. Chazz Rheinhold

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    Had a skeg at their board
    Some daft **** didnt think Zidane was good enough for their new manager!!
     
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    <laugh>
     
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  12. originallambrettaman

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    Taliban to take over Middlesbrough FC

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    THE new rulers of Afghanistan are to buy out Middlesbrough FC for £320 million, the Premier League has confirmed.

    The ultraconservative Islamists said that the purchase was made out of a lifelong love for Middlesbrough among the Taliban, who regard legendary players like Alan Foggon and Bernie Slaven as inspirations in their drive to establish an uncompromisingly hardline theocratic regime.

    Donna Sheridan, spokeswoman for the consortium that fronted the offer, said: “The Taliban have offered assurances that although women, including myself, will not be allowed inside the stadium, we will be allowed within 100 yards on match days.

    “Furthermore, players can be assured that they will only suffer amputations after exceptionally poor performances, and that these will even help them avoid falling foul of the FA’s ridiculous VAR handball rules.”

    Jubilant supporters celebrated in front of the stadium, waving banners in support of the Taliban. Once seen as the mortal enemy of the West they are now regarded as local heroes for putting money into a club languishing in the Championship.

    Fan Tom Logan said: “You’re always going to get jealous cynics dragging politics into football, even on a day of unmitigated good news like this. Well, pardon me but I’m going to slaughter a goat and fire my machine gun in the air.”
     
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  13. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    I've always wondered about this. Are Middlesbrough your rivals? Is it like a derby game to you?

    They try and tell people that they have derby games against Sunderland and Newcastle. We are like wtf no you don't. Weirdos.
     
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  14. originallambrettaman

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    It's a joke from the Daily Mash, I didn't actually have any involvement in the team they picked. <doh>
     
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  15. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Have one back for thinking I thought it was a serious article (I didn't read it) <doh>

    I never mentioned anything about what you posted apart from asking if they are your rivals...
     
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  16. originallambrettaman

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    No more than any other Championship club, we don't have a proper derby game. The local radio station tries to big up any game against teams south of the river as Humber derbies, but they're very rare nowadays and we get plenty of games billed as Yorkshire derbies, but you'd probably find the Sheffield clubs are the ones we take most seriously of those (though we generally enjoy beating Leeds as well).
     
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  17. City Man

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    Not rivals to the point where we monitor their defeats with glee, but lively off the field rivalry over the decades means they're not just another club either.
     
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  18. City Man

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    Believe Shearer is being lined up for an ambassadorial role.

    Would have massive respect for him if he turned it down.
     
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  19. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    No chance of that happening. He loves being hailed as a hero, at any cost.
     
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  20. City Man

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    Well he's coming to a crossroads with this, and in danger of looking like Benny.
     
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