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Postecoglou & Lange (& Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Next gaffer, who's your preference?

  1. Arne Slot

  2. Ruben Amorim

  3. Luis Enrique

  4. Ange Postocoglou

  5. Brendan Rodgers

  6. Graham Potter

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  1. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yep, so imagine how bad it was watching Wolves… And now Tottenham.
     
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  2. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    I hoped Nuno would produce the free flowing, counter attacking football I saw when Wolves played us at Wembley in 2018 where they won 3-1 or the game at New WHL in 2020 where they won 3-2.

    They created 14 or 15 chances in those games (away from home) and were good to watch.

    I remember you and @BobbyD saying he'd be boring ... boy...you two were as right as I was wrong <wah>
     
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  3. Spurf

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    I didn't claim that the appt of Nuno is going wrong. I said it has the potential to go wrong just as every appointment does. Your view of the appointment is just that, your view. Others clearly think different. I was never in favour of another appointment of a manager from Portugal, I have said that on here many times. Despite my view Chelsea have enjoyed huge success with a manager from Portugal but I think Spurs have different priorities. Right now we need to see a team working it's socks off, whatever the results. We need to see some attractive football.
    Brian you have adopted a position which is basically opposed to Levy and his decisions and lots of Spurs fans agree with you. Other like me do not take that view but that doesn't mean I think all of Levy's decisions are correct just as he himself doesn't but I do believe they are taken with the best for Spurs in mind. The interview with Toby reinforces that view.
     
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  4. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Haha, me and Bob are occasionally right once in a while!

    I think you just caught Wolves' rare good performance that game. Similar to us this season with City, albeit we've played like that under Jose in the past campaigns too, that counter style really hurts them and seems to be their kryptonite.

    In general though I can't say I'm overly surprised what we're seeing under Nuno. I appreciate as others have mentioned he's drawn a short straw here, we're a mess there's no denying that but equally his appointment has only added to the issues in my opinion, not help alleviate any.

    When you think the club can't make any more poor decisions and choices, they respond with "Hold my beer".
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Today r/coys are latching onto Fabrizio Romano saying that Marcelo Gallardo said he wanted to see out the Argentine season when we approached him in the summer, with the Argentine season running from July-December...and this just so happens to coincide with his contract at River Plate expiring

    They have yet to suggest who they think we should bring in as an interpreter, what with Gallardo understanding about as much English as the sat nav on a late 90s Rover
     
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  6. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    You didn't and I stand corrected...but it is.
     
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  7. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    His reputation has been based on relative success with Wolves, which stemmed from a relationship with an agent and the bringing in of good (largely) Portuguese players. They were good enough to get them out of the Championship and have that bounce into the PL which clubs sometimes get before they are worked out.
    At the level Wolves were at, it worked.
    But there is no evidence he can manage a club with loftier ambitions, get the best from a number of top class players, recruit well at a higher level and compete for top four PL and CL last 16 and beyond.
    He's untried at this level and with the problems he's inherited - the Kane situation, experienced defenders leaving, a lethargic squad who were playing passive football under Mourinho etc, no money to spend on players who are going to improve the firts XI etc.
    He's got a lot to contend with. You've got to give him a chance, but he's been thrown in at the deep end....it's down to luck whether he sinks or swims.
     
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  8. KingHotspur

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  9. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Whether this is based upon actual comments from members of the squad or has been invented to get clicks, it's hard to put up any credible argument against concerns about a game plan. Yes, there have been injuries and the nonsense involving the South American players, but our set up and selection has been all over the shop, so far.

    If Nuno's to have any hope of turning this round, he has to start by picking a system that suits the players we have and work at it...tinkering can come later...if he survives long enough. Of course, we will still lose games but we need to draw a line in the sand and stop going backwards.

    Most critically, stop selecting defenders at random, pick a defence (especially the centre halves) and try and stick to it...last night's (minus Doherty's brother) would be my pick. Play Skippy and Hojbjerg alongside one of Lo Celso or Ndombele in the middle and Sonny, Kane (if he's ready to try) and A.N. Other up top...and keep to it as much as possible in the PL. I'm not too bothered who plays in most of the cup games, even Doherty, Winks and Dele can have a part to play in some European games.

    We're not a 'Big 6' side anymore with excess levels of talent straining to get in the team. At that point, football's a relatively simple game. It shouldn't be beyond any Tottenham manager to select an XI containing our most effective players and coach them to be a cohesive unit. If he can't see or do that, it's already time to go
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    The thing with Nuno's gameplan is it's relatively simple to see what how he has us set up when playing out from the back

    Phase 1: We start the move in the 433 formation
    Phase 2a: Fullbacks push up into midfield with the ball either at their feet or played to the sitting players (two of Skipp, Hojbjerg or Winks)
    Phase 2b: Midfield runner (Dele or Ndombele) pushes up to support the front three

    However, this is also where the problems are - not because our opponents have sussed it out, but because our players haven't

    Starting with 2a, at the moment our FBs tend to hover around the level of Skipp/Hojbjerg/Winks rather than attack the space ahead of them, so instead of receiving a pass angled forwards to run onto instead that means that the pass heading out to the flank is a lateral one so while we are retaining the ball we're not actually gaining any ground or starting a push into the final third, and our buildup play becomes ponderous

    Then we have 2b, where there's two issues. First is what happened on Sunday, where Dele and Ndombele were both pushing up and leaving Hojbjerg isolated in the middle, meaning that either somebody was instructed to sit and just ignored the instructions and ****ed off up the pitch the second they saw the ball, or we had the genius idea to have two midfield runners in a three-man midfield which potentially could work against busparquet but against any other system it's inevitable that our midfield will collapse. Secondly, if 2a is not working out due to FBs not attacking the space in front of them, then the midfield runner is either going to be isolated up the field as the FB isn't on their shoulder or is going to be funnelled into predictable passes to the members of the attacking trio

    Realistically, the issue for us is definitely with 2a, because not only does it slow down our buildup play by not having a FB attack the space in front of them when we're playing out from the back, but because of the lack of urgency it allows opponents to set up and pressure our CMs into either passing it back to start the process again or to try and force a pass through (something Dele in particular does way, way too much) and likely lose possession

    This does beg an obvious question: why is this happening? Because realistically there's three likely answers to that question
    a.) The FBs are not adapting to Nuno's system
    b.) The FBs are being overly-coached so that they're more focused on the tactics than where the ball is
    c.) This is actually a tactical choice by Nuno to focus on retaining possession first as the team adapts

    If it is the third one, that is a potential issue because that's quite similar to how Villas-Boas had us set up in his second team, with a focus on retaining the ball as the players settled into his tactics in the belief that when things click around December-January we'd become more expansive - because a hell of a lot of football has to be played by that point, and in Villas-Boas' case a fair amount of that football was without him
     
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  12. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    ****ing hell!

    He's more temporary than 'Gilet Tim'.

    What the ****ing hell have we come to?

    <wah>
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    No, he isn't

    Sherwood's contract was quoted as eighteen months, when in reality it was six months with a back twelve if he didn't turn out to be a walking cringe factory
     
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    …I’m pretty sure that was his formation, too.
     
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  15. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    'The Gilet's break clause entitlement didn't stop us having to pay him off...something that Levy's not having to do again

    "It came as no surprise to Sherwood, who was told on 7 April, before the club’s Premier League fixture with Sunderland, that he was to leave at the end of this season – on that occasion he was told it was his lack of experience that counted against him. The club announced that a break clause in his contract had been activated but Sherwood is nonetheless due the value of the remainder of his deal."

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ith-criticism-of-tottenham-board-9365516.html

    Nuno has agreed to go for nothing.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    I still can't believe the bollocks he was spouting about how there's no such thing as a defensive midfielder

    It's a miracle Sandro didn't clatter him in training and try and say it can't have been him, as he doesn't exist...
     
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    I think Espirito Santo's wages are considerably higher than Sherwood's were, though.
    He'll get more for a year than the other bloke did for 18 months.
     
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  18. KingHotspur

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    That’s good business by Spurs and Levy. If the aim is top 6 and the manager agrees to it but fails to meet the objective then he shouldn’t be entitled to a huge payoff if the club release him at the end of the season.
     
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  19. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Yes...but we were negotiating his free departure at the very outset of the relationship. No wonder Winks, Sanchez et al decided to stay...before he'd held up the shirt, he'd agreed to **** off for nothing.

    I wouldn't be surprised if his door plaque read 'Temporary Coach'.
     
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  20. KingHotspur

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    I disagree, I think it’s clever to put in clauses like that. Why should managers be financially rewarded for failure?
     
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