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Not in Europe, mate. My friends throughout Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands are ALL saying “business as usual” there with regards to supply chain issues. There’s just the small difference here of the U.K. not being part of the EU!

I have been in Spain for just over 2 weeks now, and although not spending much time in supermarkets and shops etc, there are no empty shelves here.
More importantly, no shortage of beer.
I actually read a story, from the UK, this morning about breweries having to send out lorries just to collect empty barrels as the breweries have the beer but nothing to put it in.
Not sure how that became an issue as I thought they always collected empties as they dropped of fresh.
 
I have been in Spain for just over 2 weeks now, and although not spending much time in supermarkets and shops etc, there are no empty shelves here.
More importantly, no shortage of beer.
I actually read a story, from the UK, this morning about breweries having to send out lorries just to collect empty barrels as the breweries have the beer but nothing to put it in.
Not sure how that became an issue as I thought they always collected empties as they dropped of fresh.
One issue with beer in pubs is that shortage of drivers plus strike action by a big haulier's drivers has meant that a lot of deliveries have been done by hastily arranged couriers, who will deliver but not collect. After a while, pubs had so many empties that even when the delivery was made by the regular drivers, there wasn't room on the lorry to take the empties back because there were so many. Obviously in an industry that has been hit so hard by covid, there often isn't the money (or indeed empty trucks) to have the ability to send trucks out just to pick up empties.
There are still 100s of 000s of empty kegs out there that are gradually getting back to the brewers but it all takes time.
My wife has spent the last 9 months chasing deliveries, arranging couriers and even had to put the odd keg in the boot of the car to do emergency deliveries, and I would imagine that has happened in lots of breweries and wholesale depots.
Its still nowhere near normal, but at least the strikes and work to rule have ended
 
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I have been in Spain for just over 2 weeks now, and although not spending much time in supermarkets and shops etc, there are no empty shelves here.
More importantly, no shortage of beer.
I actually read a story, from the UK, this morning about breweries having to send out lorries just to collect empty barrels as the breweries have the beer but nothing to put it in.
Not sure how that became an issue as I thought they always collected empties as they dropped of fresh.

In a previous life I ran a wholesale Wine & Beer merchants, delivering kegged beer, wine & spirits to the trade.

Two things annoyed me. The driver delivering 20 kegs of beer to a pub and picking up 1 empty and the driver delivering 1 keg of beer and picking up 20. I always said if you deliver 20 you have room for 20 on the truck.

I think it is though as SC said that the deliveries have been done by 'emergency' couriers and no pick ups. Now the breweries can't fit the empty kegs on the lorries and there is probably a shortage or lorries anyway.
 
Anyone who regularly drives up the A34 to work will immediately notice the lack of HGV vehicles. It is not too difficult to understand why the shelves are empty. in most shops and why the commercial sector is encouraging people to buy early for Christmas.

As i said earlier, i think that Johnson will only serve one term as PM. I cannot see him getting re-elected by the public and, more importantly, I think the Tories will ditch him as soon as the wheels really come off.
 
Anyone who regularly drives up the A34 to work will immediately notice the lack of HGV vehicles. It is not too difficult to understand why the shelves are empty. in most shops and why the commercial sector is encouraging people to buy early for Christmas.

As i said earlier, i think that Johnson will only serve one term as PM. I cannot see him getting re-elected by the public and, more importantly, I think the Tories will ditch him as soon as the wheels really come off.

I think this will happen before the next election.
 
What the ****ety-****? Really?? WHY is this not all over the media? Are we going to accept partly trained HGV drivers on our roads purely to help this **** shower in government from admitting that their “oven ready deal” for Brexit is a ****ing disaster!
No reversing test? How the **** will they get to the loading bays?
This is seriously scary ….

https://www.commercialfleet.org/new...ing-test-overhauled-to-tackle-driver-shortage
The thought of having under-trained HGV drivers is terrifying.
 
The next general election will be interesting and I wonder whether anyone other than the Liberals (remember them?) will be compaigning to re-join the EU? I can see it being an "issue" on the doorstep when people realise that the disadvantages far outweigh the advanatges. It will be quite interesting if there will be a referendum to re-join. I can envisage this being in someone's manifesto pledge and one of the three parties campaigning on the issue - I don't think that Johnson and his ilk will last too long in the Conservatives and will be intrigued how long the likes of Phil Hammond will take before they make their move. I have to say that I feel that all the main political parties would theoretically campaign to re-join as it is not a party-led issue and cuts across the political divides.

It was noticeable this weekend doing my shop just how bare the shelves are and the combimation of drivers being pinged and Brexit is a double whammy that I feel will only get worse. Being a member of the EU is not perfect and I think that there are serious defects throughout the EU. However, the risks of being outside are only now starting to become apparent and I do not feel it will be long before we are at a point where there is a serious and concerted campaign to get us to re-join. I can see that happening within the next 2 years esepcially as leaving the EU has made no difference to the illegal immigrant situation as this is effectively an economic problem for the whole of the West including the States and even Australia. Regardless of Brexit, immigration is only going to increase as global warming, radical Islam / rampant nationalism and the arms industry of both the West and China have combined to create a situation where living in some parts of the world is no longer feasible. For me, it was the zenophobes who were against immigration who effectively drove the Brexit issue. People will stat to wake up to the fact that immigration and the EU are totally different, independent issues.

The economic logic for Brexit was never there in the first place and the issues with "Project Fear" demonstrated how blaise the Brexiters were with the many very genuine concerns. Brexit was effectively a knee-jerk nationalist campaign with ill-thought logic trying to justify a world view which had ceased to be relevant in 1945. I am struck by how poorly our press and media has treated those pushing for Brexit to be held to account. Even Channel Four has not really held their feet to the fire. I cannot recall seeing the likes of Nigel Farage being door-stepped by journalists. He has disappeared off the face of the earth other than a few fleeting appearances on the South East coast where he is trying to highlight the issue of immigrants arriving on the beaches and about which nothing can be done now that we are outside the EU. I think it will eventually come to this and when the shortages become so severe as to affect everyone, I can envisage a lot of people being very angry with the likes of Farage. I hope that he is held to account.
I can't see Labour openly campaigning to.rejoin the EU. If elected, I think they would do it clause by clause to.at least lesson the worst effects of being outside the Single Market and Customs Unión.
 
Anyone who regularly drives up the A34 to work will immediately notice the lack of HGV vehicles. It is not too difficult to understand why the shelves are empty. in most shops and why the commercial sector is encouraging people to buy early for Christmas.

As i said earlier, i think that Johnson will only serve one term as PM. I cannot see him getting re-elected by the public and, more importantly, I think the Tories will ditch him as soon as the wheels really come off.

Unfortunately I feel you have far more faith in the British public than me.

If Boris goes it will be more likely due to a Tory coup rather than an election, he is still well liked amongst his core and unfortunately his core appears to be solidly around 40% of the electorate. He has had a minor dip to around 35% this week, but that is following unveiling an NI increase and a review of the triple lock which is about the most damaging thing he could do to himself, so if all it does is bring him down to 35% then I’d say he is still in a strong position.

In polls that 5% has gone straight to the latest Farage vehicle, so when election time rolls up again it will just go straight back to the Conservatives once Farage does a deal to avoid splitting the vote again (something the centre left parties should learn from, but won’t!).

Of course in a proportional system he would be out on his arse, but here we are.
 
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I can't see Labour openly campaigning to.rejoin the EU. If elected, I think they would do it clause by clause to.at least lesson the worst effects of being outside the Single Market and Customs Unión.

The EEA as a compromise would be the best bet (it is what Brexit should have been all along).

However I don’t think the EEA members want us and I’m sure it will be framed by the Tories as reentering the EU through the back door or whatever which will go down a storm with the ‘red wall’ vote, so I guess it is unlikely.
 
The EEA as a compromise would be the best bet (it is what Brexit should have been all along).

However I don’t think the EEA members want us and I’m sure it will be framed by the Tories as reentering the EU through the back door or whatever which will go down a storm with the ‘red wall’ vote, so I guess it is unlikely.
Practically minded Tories such as Rory Stewart would approve of this. There must be some of these guys left, ready to regain the ground lost in the Johnson coup. Dictators get their comeuppance eventually.
 
Practically minded Tories such as Rory Stewart would approve of this. There must be some of these guys left, ready to regain the ground lost in the Johnson coup. Dictators get their comeuppance eventually.

The Tories have a reputation for stabbing their leaders in the back. I cannot see the situation improving post-Brexit and I remain convinced that their will be a clamour to rejoin albeit I concur that this may be a few years down the line when it is clear thathere have been no beneifts whatsoever about leaving the EU.

I am not sure about Nigel Farage being at all relevant to British politics. He was a one trick pony and he has his wish on the single issue he campagined against. The only thing I think he can cause problems with is immigration but with there currently being one million job vacancies this is something where he will automatically be proved wrong.

Corbyn's opposition Labour Party was seriously compromised by the Brexit issue and I think that if they had a decent leader who was not obsessed by destroying his party's Socialist creditibility and re-casting it's identitiy, they could be a creidble opposition party. As things stand, it is the SNP who strike me as doing more damage to the Tories than anyone else. I am not a fan of Sturgeon and there is something a bit hypocritical of her criticisng the departure of the UK from one Union and Scotland's departure from another. However, I think she has been excpetional in dealing with other issues beyond Scottish independence . She is the epitome of a modern and progressive political leader. No one has challenged Boris in Parliament more than Ian Blackford and I think it is a shame that Starmer is so ineffectual. There is going to be massive disatisfaction in the UK when the shelves in the shops continue to remain empty and it is a shame that only a nationalist party north fof the border seems to be taking advanatge of this. I do not see Starmer as being charismatic enough to harness this disatisfation and this is why it seems more credible than Boris will be undone by his own as opposed to the political party led by Starmer which no longer knows what it stands for.
 
The Cabinet reshuffle is worse thatn the summer clear-out at Pompey, as it is simply one load of rubbish being replaced by another load of rubbish with no improvement on the horizon.Time for the manager to be sacked!!!!! If the voice is loud enough, he will go!!!!! Let's start on Saturday at the City of Manchester Stadium with chants of "Johnson out."
 
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