They just wanted a Yes-Man as President and got the last incumbent out as he disagreed with them. Its interesting that he is now working with the Taliban to try and sort out an interim government. Feel very sorry for the local population. Still remember having to evacuate from Jakarta when Soeharto was kicked out in 1998, after days of rioting, looting and killing. Had to organise flights out for 15 expats and families with all sorts of rumours flying around about people being pulled out of cars at road blocks on the airport road and robbed and killed. The locals will have no idea of what their future holds - its a very frightening feeling.
Yeah I have massive sympathy for them. Another population the west has ****ed over in search of resources. Damned if we do, damned if we don’t as usual in terms of helping them. We help them we continue the cycle and essentially give the ground for our governments to do this all again. Thus ensuring deaths and bad treatment of others in the future.We don’t help, and we ensure a load of deaths and bad treatment now. It’s the old choice of brown or white dog ****.
Interesting that all the refugees seem to be mainly adult males of fighting age. I guess they don’t have women or children in need of refuge…
Before we leave, we should at least take all the people trying to escape first, rather than just leave them at the mercy of the taliban.
We need to learn that we can't solve a country's problems for it. All the successful changes to countries have come from within, be these by democratic or revolutionary means. It's amazing that we still think that we can try and dictate to other countries and that those countries will change to become fledgling western-style democracies. Afghanistan is an extremely conservative Muslim country, and would be so, even without the Taliban. When the majority of the people want change it will happen. We should be taking all the people, and the families of those people, that we have put (and they have put themselves) in an awkward position by working with the occupying forces (us) as its only fair to do that. However we should be very careful about taking more than that unless we assess a serious risk to them. The young people, including women, who have been educated over the last 20 years, are those that will drive change and increasing freedoms in the country. We can help by carrot and stick diplomacy (promising development aid but also threatening sanctions if current freedoms are reversed) but should not make the mistake of thinking that we can dictate to them.
I don't believe we do though. That's just the auspice we arrive under so its palatable to the masses. We then rape them of their natural resources. Which causes huge angst and results in a deep hatred of the west. Which is sold to us as terrorism, when really its just anger we've created. I have to say I might make jokes about religion because I'm not at all religious. But I can say hand on heart 90% of muslim persons I've ever met has been a peace loving decent person. Just like anyone else. Yeah there are wronguns in terms of being cut throat in business or not very nice, just like any other religion or walk of life. I've yet to meet one running round thinking death to all westerners, because they don't like how we are. Those guys are created by our actions. So why don't we just pack the **** in. Two reasons as always, ****ing money and power. If we gave a ****, we'd show them how they can mine the areas or whatever it is we hover there for, you know just out of pure human decency. So they can better themselves and their own society. As you say who the **** are we to decide that our western democracy (which is a ****ing joke of a term in itself), is how they should run their country. Has anyone ever thought maybe these people aren't as backward as our media makes out, they have their own ways and can see straight through our corporate elites bullshit. I'm not saying there aren't places elsewhere in the world where I don't agree with how their society operates on a human level. But **** me Saudi Arabia have some pretty cooky ways in my eyes, but they are ok because they line the right pockets.
Its noticeable that China and Russia are keeping friendly with them. Suspect Chinese companies will be getting the mining rights to the minerals and the Afghan Government will get screwed on royalties. The Chinese companies are far worse then American, European or Australian when it comes to extraction, royalty sharing and environmental impact.
From what I understand, which is next to nothing on this subject to be fair, the Taliban have no interest in coming here. They want nothing to do with us and want to be left alone to have their own fundamentalist version of a Sharia homeland.
fredh news today.. one of those brought back has already been identified as being on the ‘no fly’ watch list. Someone cocked up I guess.
Monitor them? Look I agree we shouldn't be looking to interfere too much in other countries, but if there are people trying to escape a country, fearing for their lives because of how those in power treat them I don't see why we should trap them in. We don't send people back to their home country if we feel they're not going to be safe, so I fail to see why if screaming women and children on the border are crying, claiming those in power are shooting at them and their basic human rights are being violated, why we couldn't help them escape that, rather than block them in.
I do think we should be a lot more welcoming of genuine refugees, specifically from Afghan who are fleeing a country at point of origin. What boils my piss is the 800 blokes of fighting age a day who pass through then leave a perfectly safe country like France to come to the UK 'cos they are fleeing oppression' on small boats (often aided by the French Navy).
So what you are saying is we should take the stupid ones who dont have the brains to flee the country and get half way across the world and let France have the ones who would probably make excellent Uber drivers and Pizza delivery guys.
I'm saying there are EU laws/protocols in place on asylum seekers seeking sanctuary and member states are ignoring that willfully..... and funneling them to the UK (at our expense btw) whilst a lot of these asylum seekers are economic migrants/Man Utd Fans who should not be allowed in. We should employ folk who are good at swimming to wear fake great white shark fins and swim out from the Southern Coast to create the myth that there are lots of killer sharks out there. Or pay a lot of mackems to to on holiday on the south cost creating the impression that everyone in the UK is deformed and being here is a health risk. please log in to view this image
