Money has got in the way of football, owners have ALWAYS run a club as a business, that is a given but now results need to be immediately. A manager comes in after 3 good years at 'x' club but if he has a poor first 15 games the knives are out and all too often in can lead to the sack. What notice is taken of the previous 3 years? Nothing. So the cycle gets repeated. This comes from the fans in many cases. Reading boards yesterday there is nothing but hysteria going on after two games. Adkins and Sandgaard are being questioned in certain ways. You watch the mood change if we win our next three games and add well to the squad.
And in truth in Charlton's case, it's hysteria after not even two bad games. Yes, I accept we were poor yesterday. But we were not rubbish against Sheffield Wednesday in my view. I'm not having it. So we have one awful game, and suddenly it's the end of the world. Dogs abuse for Sandgaard. More abuse for Adkins. Even arguments over which of them should get more of the blame. Some fans, wound up tight on forums all summer long and frustrated by the pandemic, seem to have lost all control and sense of proportion. The art of patience and taking a longer term view - which TS and NA must be doing - has been lost to a great many fans with an online presence. People need seriously to chill out.
Apart from ITTV which I don't visit on medical advice, is there really dog's abuse for TS? I see reference to it on Twitter, but don't read much football stuff there so wouldn't really know. Maybe TS shouldn't have over-promised in the first place, but he is, in the words of Billy Connolly, "human therefore fallible". It's not just patience that is required, it's the acceptance that TS's ownership may well fail to deliver his ambitious aim of Premiership football. Maybe being a Scotland fan and a Kilmarnock fan make it easier for me to accept this. I believe we will eventually return to the Championship, but have no idea when. In the meantime I want to see progress towards exciting attacking play, with chances created from open play. Not too much to ask?
If Sandgaard is not getting crucified on CL then I am pleasantly surprised to hear that. Must admit I had made an assumption there. The general point Elfs was making is well taken though. We used to give our owners years to put things right, and accept that we couldn't have everything overnight. The mid 1990's is a good example. These days an owner or a manager is lucky if he gets four or five months, let alone four or five seasons.
I see the entitled few are now defending Ipswich’s (will blow this league apart) bad results because they haven’t had time to gel , and yet can’t see maybe our own team with a few changes need time to gel also
I don't read other forums so have no idea how bad any of the abuse or complaints are. However, without getting irate, over-excited or abusive, I do find it disappointing to see our current squad. TS and NA have, in my opinion, had enough time to build a better squad before the season started. When you consider that we missed out on the play-offs on goal difference (and the difference between automatic/play-offs/7th place) is often just the odd point or two, then it's no good only having our squad complete at the end of the loan window. By then we will have probably dropped over 10 points on the top teams and will struggle to make that up. The current squad is the worst we have started a season with for probably 6 or 7 years and that includes the Roland and ESI years. That is not good enough.
I don't agree that this is the worst squad in 6 or 7 years. The 2016-17 squad was poorer than this one. The 2017-18 squad maybe around the same. And those were the completed squads. Yes, games and points are going to pass us by before the end of the transfer window. But that's true of most of our opponents too, if not all of them. Which team won't get any more players in between now and September? I don't agree that Charlton are doing anything in a markedly poorer way than most of our rivals. That is just a fiction invented by folks who want to put the Club down for reasons of their own, exploiting fans' frustrations that we haven't had a perfect start, and that our owner isn't another Sheikh Mansour.
Only time will tell. It may just depend on the quality of our loan signings. If we can bring in players of the calibre of Cullen, Gallagher, Bielik etc then we may have a chance. If not then I think it will be a mid-table slog for another season. And the problem is that next season may be no different. Going back to the opening post of this thread, I'm afraid that you do have to spend significant money to gain immediate success in the current football model. I don't like that, but my dislike doesn't change the facts.
I'd hazard a guess that loans and perm signings brought in is not much different to the majority of other teams.
We have had a shocking 15 or so years. Immediately from it being announced at the Bleakburn game that Curbishley was leaving.
I think it's fair enough to be concerned at this stage about our style of play, which is not easy on the eye.
Totally agree - things went down hill since then , which means we’ve got a fuking great hill to climb and it’ll take time
