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  1. Dr Van Helsing

    Dr Van Helsing Well-Known Member

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    Why? He cost 40 million and he's improving... He's not a striker
     
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    The simple answer is because he’s not good enough. He’s okay as a squad player but he shouldn’t be in the first team. The £40M fee is irrelevant and shouldn’t get him into the team just because of how much we paid.

    In the positions he would play I prefer Almiron or Murphy as they contribute more.
     
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    Currently he's a starter though and he's scored 3 in his last 6 starts.

    He's better than gayle, so he's our 2nd striker and our 3rd best attacking midfielder.

    He starts as things are for me.
     
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    Ah, cherry picking stats again.

    Or

    6 in 36 games over a season.

    https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=84656

    Stats can only tell you so much. Watching a player tells you so much more.
     
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    He's been progressing under Jones and bruce though.

    You can't drop players that have 3 in the last 6.
     
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    You can if it’s really 3 in the last 8.

    It always depends upon who is the replacement. Would you keep Shearer out of the team or Ferdinand or Beardsley or Ginola if their replacement had scored 3 in 8 in their absence?

    Obviously not saying Almiron or Murphy are Shearer etc but the principle is that I would have no problem, as a Manager, in dropping a player if I thought the player coming in would improve the team.
     
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    Even 3 in his last 8 is good... He's been playing better so why drop him? Murphy plays rwb

    We don't have Shearer Ginola or beardey
     
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    I'm not saying he can't be part of the squad, I'm saying he can't be RELIED upon. He hasn't shown nearly enough to suggest we can rely upon him to contribute enough to meet our goals.

    A decent 6 game spell in which he scored 3 goals isn't evidence of anything. I'm not against keeping him the squad and seeing how he develops, but we need to buy players of value that we can rely upon for value, Joelinton hasn't provided nearly enough value to be settled for.

    He should be the first or second option in any position, as we need to be able to be rely on both, and we cannot rely on joelinton. Could we play him every so often to see how he improves? Sure. But it would be a massive gamble not worth taking to assume he'll be good enough next season.
     
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    He's done ok I think.. He player fine since Jones came in, but because our dumb club gave him the no9 fans judge him unfairly..

    He'll do fine this season imo and unless we maje some good signings he's a started given we don't have willock I fail to see why he wouldn't start because he's much better than gayle and Carroll and Fraser has done nothing
     
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    Him being better than Carroll, Fraser and maybe even gayle doesn't prove anything either!!!

    There is literally no ****ing criteria you can judge joelinton on to confirm he should be being relied upon next season for anything.

    It would completely stupid to risk our season on reliance of Joelinton, he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove himself.
     
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    What are you talking about?

    My argument is that he starts based on the fact he's one of our best players and his recent form mate.

    We don't have a better option and he's earned his spot unless we get someone better.. Correct?

    I'm not saying he's the best Ronaldinho mate.

    He's only young and he's improving.
     
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    What do you mean we don't have better -

    ----------WILSON-----ASM---------
    -----------------ALMIRON-----------
    ---Longstaff--Hayden---Shelvey-----
    Ritchie-------------------------------Murphy
    ----------Dummett-Lascelles--Clark
    ----------------------Dubravka-----------------

    NOTE - We will probably sign players this summer to strengthen, injured players will return.

    So who do you drop from that to play Joelinton?

    His performances haven't been spectacular, and NO WHERE NEAR ENOUGH to justify relying on him going forward.

    You cannot just look at 3 goals in 6 and consider him one of our best. We're trying to tell you that going forward we need better, and relying on Joelinton would be stupidity.

    If we are stupid and don't sign anyone, then yes we will have to include him in the squad and hope he comes good, but what I'm saying is that we really need to be signing better.

    Do you just assume we're going to be stuck with the same options next season?
     
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    Do you seriously believe the only reason he was dropped was due to ****ing injury?

    So it's not that ASM and Wilson came back, it's because he got injured?
     
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    You find space for Longstaff Hayden and Shelvey? Max as striker? Not for me

    I'm going to say i disagree and leave it here mate

    :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    Yes because he came off with an injury he sustained before he missed the difficult header he was griefed for.

    He battled on until half time
     
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    I clearly stated we'd sign players this summer, meaning this wont be our line up next season, but it's our current strongest line up.

    You supplied no clear reasons why Joelinton should be relied upon what so ever.

    You should have created an in depth analysis of Joelintons talents, skills and why he should be relied upon next season, but you didn't, you just created a brainless thread stating "3 in 6, humble pie etc".

    I'll leave it with this -

    He's improved. He COULD play an important role next season, but should he BE RELIED UPON to perform next season? No. We should look to sign better.

    Hoping that Joelinton comes good next season and plays a big role would be a stupid risk to take. He hasn't shown nearly enough in his game to suggest that he can help us progress.
     
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    So how have you concluded those players will 1 arrive and 2 are better and ready to start?

    You're basing your opinion on the hypothetical and in basing mine on what we actually have and know.

    I've also just said we won't agree, so that should really have been the end of the conversation mate.

    He's going to continue playing well
     
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    I'm basing it on both actually, but never mind. If you're going to have an unpopular opinion, give an in depth reason, and create a thread with a reasonable level of effort, not just two sentences, so perhaps people will have something to contend with.

    You've said

    1. He's improved
    2. 3 in 6
    3. Humble pie
    4. He's one of our best.

    These are not ****ing arguments.
     
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  20. Dr Van Helsing

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    Look mate you're now staring to shout and swear.

    The players been playing fine recently and he's got 3 in his last 6 games.

    He's improving and you've come on here saying sell someone for next to nothing rather than see if it continues.

    I can't be arsed witch hunting once a player is doing ok.
     
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