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OOC Players - Who Should Stay?

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by wizered, May 11, 2021.

  1. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    I guess it depends how high you set the bar as to whether you consider that achievement as being competent or not.
     
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  2. Jiffie

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    Well this answers why Kalas was missing on Saturday.

    We're not expecting the club to release their retained list until late this week, as discussions continue regarding several players. Talks are continuing regarding an incoming CEO, but nothing has been decided there yet either.

    Meanwhile, we understand that Tomas Kalas has patched up a disagreement with Nigel Pearson from last week. It involved an incident in a training ground match, with the skipper subsequently missing the game against Brentford.

     
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    Wasn’t it a tiff with Wells?
     
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  4. wizered

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    I agree, some set the bar for competency as excelling in the third tier.... I think being a top-half side in the second tier is a good achievement for us as a club right now, and certainly given our history. The plan has to be how do we build on that platform now, which we failed miserably to do this season.
     
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  6. Jiffie

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    Which we have miserably failed to do in the past 2 seasons, 2 seasons that saw 2 managers sacked.

    I think it's disingenuous to try to lump this failure into one season, the warning signs were there last season and not acted upon, when the rot is allowed to set in, it will spread and that is exactly what has happened, we only won 2 more games last season compared to this season.
     
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    Surely the question should also be asked why given so much time LJ , although he did well to maintain championship status , was not able to at least achieve top six. I’m happy to give NP 3 years , but by then will judge him on whether he is able to achieve similar .
     
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  8. Jiffie

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    Any improvement on the season just ended should be judged as an improvement, that is the argument used for LJ.
     
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    I appreciate that and agree, next season I’d be happy with mid table, but I’d hope toward the end of his 3 year contract Nige will have us pushing for top six, or else what’s the point in appointing a manager if his standing ?
     
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  10. bcfcredandwhite

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    Because his best players kept being sold by Ashton maybe?
     
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    And he did nothing to stop it maybe?

    He could have said enough is enough but he went along with the public statements that the manager had the final say on ALL transfers.
     
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    You believe he could have prevented the sale of Webster? or Brownhill ? It’s obvious he wouldn’t have had the final say. Keep repeating the same thing doesn’t change that .
     
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    That’s was part of his remit wasn’t it? and likely why he survived despite a few extremely bad runs..
     
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  14. Jiffie

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    I have absolutely no idea whether he had the final say or not, all I know is he and Holden agreed with the public statement that they both did and to keep repeating what you are saying equally doesn't change that.

    I don't know how many more ways that I can say this. Could the club turn down 20mil?, of course not, could the club have matched increasing his wages 6 fold?, of course not could they have forced him to stay? of course not and how do we know that because LJ said as much.

    If LJ was unhappy about the sale of players he had several options.

    1. If it wasn't true that he had the final say on all transfers, he shouldn't have said publicly that it was true.

    2. He could have said enough is enough and walked, especially if he believed in his own talent, he would have gotten another job.

    My feeling is you maybe right but he was party to it and maybe he should have been stronger and maybe he would still be here.
     
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    And that in a nutshell is almost certainly why we are, where we are.
     
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    What’s the alternative, deny the players moves to the PL, along with a windfall that will set them up fur the rest of their lives, I’m sure that’ll work well.
     
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    I agree, and ultimately that’s why he got sacked. No complaints on that.
     
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    If we hadn’t f***ked up the managerial appointment last summer I agree that should have been the measurement. Now NP has to rest the clock, as LJ had to after SC. That takes time, and money.
    The ramifications of last summers debacle will haunt us for years!
     
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  19. Jiffie

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    Hold on you can't have it both ways, state that the players were sold from under him and then claim that was his remit all along.

    The point I was trying to make was that he fully accepted the remit and even accepted the public statement that he had the last word in all transfers, he also according to some had little or no say in incoming transfers, which given his treatment of Palmer, Szmodics and Eliasson might be true, who knows?. I have already stated earlier in this thread that the players hold all of the cards these despite the length of any contract they might have signed.
     
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  20. Jiffie

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    You say f*** up I say cynical misdirection of the promise of a manager with 'pedigree' to take us to the next level designed to ensure good season ticket sales.

    The ramifications of giving Ashton far too much power over the playing side of the business is what will haunt us for years and i'm sorry but the timid acceptance of 2 successive managers to accept that amount of interference is part of that ramification as well.

    As I said earlier in the thread I believe a CEO should only say whether we had the finance to sign any player that the manager wanted to sign and then deal with the negotiations, not the other way round with the CEO offering a list of players to the manager.
     
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