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Match Day Thread Vs Man Utd (A)

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Zanjinho, Apr 24, 2021.

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  1. Zanjinho

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    She moaned whilst we were winning. She was still concerned we'd not win the league when we 20+ points clear with about 8 games to go. There is no hope for some people
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Come on guys. Dont be mean.

    By all means say stuff is negative but dont get personal eh?
     
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  3. Zanjinho

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    No one is being personal. Posters simply fed up of her moaning whilst pointing out that wishi's negativity now carries zero weight because she was just as negative when we were winning #neverhappy
     
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  4. jaffaklopp

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    I personally can't stand the negativity
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

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    theres a point where its ganging up on one person and is constant :)

    just pointing it out.
     
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  6. Zorba

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    It could be equally said that some people are fed up with the rose tinted glasses brigade who can't see that the club is in a bad place at the moment.
    Having watched Liverpool for over 50 years I'm not happy seeing the ****e served up week in week out and accept a few crumbs of glory now and then.
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

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    forums in general as one way of venting. They are also one way of taking the piss and having a laugh so balance is important.

    If everyone is having a go at one person and jumping on them if they write one thing it moves away from debate or discussion.

    It'd be nice to think though you could tap us on the should and sat hey mate its all good but give it a rest once in a while rather than piling on. you'd swear some supported everton and utd the way they bait. God knows i use the opportunity to avoid work or course work and am my own worst enemy a lot of the time.

    Like Sunday, I knew i should be doing a research paper for this week but just....couldn't... help... myself... lol.
     
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  8. quinneristops

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    Good post. I looked at city last night and thought, we are a million miles away from them at this moment in time. But next season is a whole new ballgame. If that city side had lost their two centre backs and the back ups for a season as well as the other problems we have had taking our best midfielders to plug gaps and all of that, where would they be? We don’t know what will happen this summer but there is a job to do at LGX and I would rather have Klopp at the helm than Pep or Tuchel given the financial situation we have compared to city or Chelsea. Klopp has put one fantastic team together, why not another? It should be an interesting Summer
     
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  9. quinneristops

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    LFC not LGX
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Imo all any fan can ask is their club can build over a period and see something great.

    For some that's getting to the prem, for others it's a cup run and for others it's to complete for titles.

    The difference between now and when I was a kid is that more clubs (not all of course) could get their act together and build a team if they got things right.

    Now you've a few who've nitro oxide, super chargers and turbos and an unlimited fuel supply and the rest have a mix of things.

    I'm not saying lfc dont have an advantage but in days gone by a side could build up.

    I'll make a prediction for Leicester, I wish them the best for the short while they can keep it up but they will be back 7th and 8th as someone will pick them clean at some point.
     
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    If one person says one thing and four disagree is that "jumping on" that one person?
    I gave a lengthy and measured reply as to why I feel constant negativity is detrimental to me, and I'm happy enough overall to support my team, rain or shine.
    This doesn't mean I ignore problems or the need to resolve them - I don't live in some Teletubby land where everything is lovely - it just means I recognise my role as observer and the futility of constant complaining.
    I'm lucky that through a geographical coincidence I support one the world's best teams, but I'd be equally faithful if it had happened to be a rubbish one. I think never going below 8th in 60 years is a bloody good show tbh, and I'm realistic enough to know that we can't be number 1 all the time.
    We're relatively crap atm, and it's frustrating because we've done so well recently - but the players and manager are human, and I don't take it as a personal insult when they fail. I try to get behind them and give them the time required to isolate the difficulties and deal with them. I don't presume to have all the answers.
    I understand the frustration, but there's really nothing we can do, so might as well be philosophical about it.
    To paraphrase one of Shanks' many sayings - if you can't support us when we're losing, don't bother when we're winning.
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

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    No it's not but when it's repetitive and shuts down that one person imo I think I should just point it out.

    You are absolutely right, and I think there's a balance between venting frustrations and being caught in a spiral of negativity that doesn't help anyone.

    Dare I say it but a friendly gee up can take many forms.
     
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  13. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    No one should be happy with how we've been this season has gone (well from January onwards at least!) but there are some mitigating circumstances which have contributed to our abysmal year. Of course, some players and coaches have not helped themselves but they have a lot of credit in the bank.

    We have massively over-performed over the past 2-3 years. We weren't just good, we were brilliant. Machine like. Not many teams have been able to keep up with City and let's be honest, no team in the PL should even be close to them apart from Chelsea and maybe United. We had no business winning the league but thanks to the perfect storm, we did it That's no small feat. A dip in performance was to be expected but maybe not to the extent that we have witnessed.

    Personally, I think we come back much stronger next season and we will challenge. Whilst Mane and Bobby have let us down up top, we cannot underestimate how much we miss having a quality back line. Losing all 3 senior centre backs to season is such a freak circumstance. Yes, we shot ourselves in the foot by not strengthening that area sooner but it's seriously unlucky. With no CBs, we then had to destabilise the midfield by moving Fab and Hendo. Whilst we have a stronger squad this season on paper, we pretty much weakened two thirds of the starting line up week in week out. As we saw by having Kabak and Phillips at CB and Fab at DM, we found some defensive structure which led to 3 straight PL wins. Typical, Phillips then gets injured and we drop points in the following two games.

    I don't believe this team is finished, far from it. This is a seriously talented squad which was massively depleted for most of the season. That's not to say Klopp and some of the players shouldn't share some of the blame but I'm hoping they will come back refreshed and fighting. I have faith in our staff to bring in quality players this summer and shift the deadwood.
     
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    City lost one CB last season and struggled massively. I don't think they were even that impressive this season - they pulled away once rivals became tired and squads were depleted. Not playing in front of crowds has helped them as well.
     
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    I don't agree.

    they started slowly but were piling on that 20 game winning run long before rivals got tired. IMO they resolved the defensive side, retained the midfield dominance but got worse in the forward line. that drop of up top hasn't hurt one iota as they have enough to get by. I think they lost 2 recently after the title was all but won v leeds and utd. But assigned from that their record would have been 5 draws and 2 losses. One of those losses was 5-2 to Leicester in the first games and a couple draws v leeds and west ham.

    they've been piling it on since october (as in one month into the season)
     
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  16. Zanjinho

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    She loves moaning and loves the attention it brings, that's why she does it
     
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  17. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    They were dropping a lot of points earlier this season. Their performances haven't been that great. Not saying they're sh*t - but they're not the peak City side we should be scared of. They also have the biggest and best squad so they were able to manage the hectic schedule with ease. Look at Mahrez and Gundogan - two players who weren't the key men for years but were amazing this year. That's the the level of depth they have.
     
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    Also - why haven't we been awarded 3 points for this game yet?
     
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  19. RogerisontheHunt

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    Still no date.

    Longer it goes on we should just object to any date and demand the 3pts :bandit:
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

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    yeah, very early, as in the first few games, as i said that 20 game run was piling on much earlier than Christmas and they were catching us hand over fist. whether they have the biggest squad or not doesn't mean they were not piling on the victories irrespective of anything anyone else did or did not do.

    I agree they are not "peak" attacking city but they are much better defensively this season. AKA room for improvement. yes gundogan has improved quite a bit this year but so has B.silva Foden has come on as well. etc etc.

    they have more than enough players to cope with sterling poor form and the no 9 issues. Especially as guardiola's tactic is more about 2 advanced cms like de bruyne et al doing the real damage.

    they are still on for 92 points which is not too shabby plus a CL plus the league cup so its not a bad little season.

    they have been going since mid october and have held their standards of work ethos and their fitness levels. people are laughing at guardiol saying its not about money. They forget that PSG are exactly what city are not, a bunch of individuals. The difference between a mega rich club and a dominant mega rich club ;) is hunger and work ethic.

    We have just never looked right in one single game in terms of fitness nor have we looked hungry. We can fix fitness if we get the preseason right but we cannot fix hunger just with a flock of a switch.

    We have to assume city will improve next season so we have to up every aspect of our team. (not just faces)
     
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