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Honeyman voted best player in League One...

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  1. askewshair

    askewshair Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget 5 or 6 players went at the same time. I know the two are mentioned because they are C and VC, but I don't believe all would have just walked away, knowing any potentially interested clubs would be watching. My understanding is that they weren't offered an extension for the extended season.
    Whether relegation was Grant's 'Bigger Plan' or not, the decision to release them was the club surrendering, as we were never going to recover from that point.
    That is how I read it. A lot of assumptions and I admit, heavily biased by my feelings towards Allam's. There are many on here in the know, and followed things much closer than I did (and have better memories), so I am interested in other's perceptions.
     
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    I’m sorry but complete bollocks...
    Relegation as a plan does not make any sense whatsoever, to get out of league 1 at the first time of asking is bloody difficult as many a so called bigger club will testify....
     
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  3. askewshair

    askewshair Well-Known Member

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    I know we debated this elsewhere. Maybe coming straight back up was a bonus. It was the only explanation for at every post match interview as we were tumbling down the league, and asked about our lack of fight, he would calmly talk about 'the bigger plan'. I also read that he admitted as much to Burnsey on RH (It was Callum from Bransholme on FB to be fair)

    Actually, it couldn't have worked out better. The season clubs have no income from gate receipts, happens to be the season we have dropped a division which enables us to pay massively reduced wages (compared to all our rivals next season), and to strip some of the deadwood/ replace with younger/hungrier/cheaper players.
    I don't believe Ehab could have come up with this master plan. At the time no one knew the Covid situation would have continued for so long.
    I believe the plan was to reduce wages with a younger and more streamlined squad, no matter what. It's pretty much what Allams had said many times before, so no great surprise. If we got relegation then so be it. Writing was on the wall in the January transfer activity (replacing B and G with young players for the future), and releasing the six players for the extended season was a part of that cost cutting.
    Grant was committed to that vision and so was not sacked.
     
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  4. originallambrettaman

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    Relegation reduced our wage bill by 50%, but relegation also reduced our income by 80%, nobody plans to do that.
     
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  5. askewshair

    askewshair Well-Known Member

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    Was income drop due to Covid?
    80% of what?
     
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  6. The Omega Man

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    Grant was committed to that vision and so was not sacked.

    McCann wasn't sacked because it was not considered by the owners that it was not his fault, that off field issues led to a team that would not play to its potential.

    I believe the plan was to reduce wages with a younger and more streamlined squad

    The plan was to have a team that could compete within a wage cap. We did not have that capability in January and player salaries would have been capped in the Championship if we had stayed up by the FA or the owners.

    Actually, it couldn't have worked out better.

    I agree, reduced costs at a time when income at every level was limited.
     
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  7. askewshair

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    Ok, did Allam say that? I missed it. By off field, they mean Covid? I wonder if all clubs were as lenient?

    I wasn't aware of the salary cap. It does mean they had little choice but to 'reduce wages to with a younger and more streamlined squad'.
     
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  8. The Omega Man

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    No direct quote, but several hints given by different people about last season. All clubs planned for a wage cap, but our club is self financing so it is always the way forward for us.
     
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    Go and fish elsewhere Chazz, I'm not biting.
     
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  10. originallambrettaman

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    TV money, in the Championship you get £7m (with additional payments if you get a lot of televised games), in League One you get under £1.5m.
     
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    -> "strip ... the deadwood/ replace with younger/hungrier/cheaper players. "reduce wages with a younger and more streamlined squad",
    I'm 100% sure this is what was meant by 'the plan', hoping it results in a magic formula that brings both success and (Bowen / Maguire / Robertson like) windfalls along the way.
    TBF, it's worked very well this season.
    Next season is likely to be quite a different challenge making 'the plan' work. No matter what some think, it really is a step up next season, at least if we want to compete at the right end of the table. I still don't think McCann has the nous to be successful in the CCC ..... but let's see.
    At least it's enjoyable atm with younger, hungry players, including a few local lads - something which is really GREAT to see. Long may it continue (ideally tho without the Allams in charge).
     
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  12. askewshair

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    What about other income?
     
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  13. originallambrettaman

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    I've no idea what happens to sponsorship revenue when you get relegated, but memberships will have halved and COVID's screwed all the other income.

    The point is, that nobody aimed for relegation, it would be a monumentally stupid thing to do, the losses exceed the cost savings by some distance.
     
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  14. askewshair

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    Ok,
     
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    Evington Well-Known Member

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    Chazz, I have some news for you mate. 90% of the world is like the bit you don't want to be part of. It's only us on this board who think of others first <cheers>.
     
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  16. Evington

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    That is the bit I cannot get my head around. Play 10 across the back and fight for a point.
     
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  17. Evington

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    I don't know why you won't extend the credit to Ehab for the pandemic. A masterstroke of genius.
     
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  18. Evington

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    What are they then OM?
     
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  19. The Omega Man

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    We had players out of contract who chose to leave rather than extend for a start. Henriksen was sat on the step and then sent out on loan. Who knows what went on with Jordy. We sold our best players and the "Manager" is not a manager he is a coach.
    Is that enough?
     
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  20. Evington

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    It is for me I just thought there might be other problems not caused by the owners.

    Thanks
     
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