European Super League... ..

The socio ownership model should, theoretically, be the perfect situation. We kid ourselves by continuing to call these entities 'clubs' when they are nothing of the sort- they are, in reality, entertainment companies (or, if you're being cynical, organisations designed to extract money from individuals who have inexplicably developed an emotional attachment to them)- but with the socio model they are truly clubs. The problem in Real Madrid's case is clearly the 15% rule which means that rich megalomaniacs get to make all the decisions. I don't know if that's any more or less corrupt than English 'clubs' being in private ownership. It seems clear to me that the German ownership model is the ideal solution, although even that has its problems. Until all clubs are truly clubs again (without Spain's 15% rule), we will always have situations in which out of touch, rich old men make poor decisions.

 

Analysis from a BBC article after Perez's second Press conference;

Analysis
Spanish football expert Guillem Balague on BBC Radio 5 Live

Perez has got a vision and apparently the rest of the world is not seeing it and that's dangerous when someone feels like that.

He kept saying, in his second appearance in a disastrous PR campaign, that he's there to save football.

He's talking about big losses - in the case of Real Madrid, they've gone from expecting to earn 900m euros (£779m) to 600m euros (£519m) in only one season, and that stops them doing a lot of their projects, like maybe signing Kylian Mbappe from Paris St-Germain.

In Spain, we are a completely different type of fan. We don't act against things we think are unfair. In England, it is more like a lifestyle. They are taking something off you and you go out to try to get it back.

Perez has been untouchable for many years. But this vision did not really have strong foundations so the media are having a bit of a laugh here.

We are all very surprised Joan Laporta and Barcelona have not come out and pushed away from this idea. But, they are so desperate for money that they think whoever comes up with the right idea, they will just join in.

We are a little bit disappointed by the leaders of the two biggest clubs in Spain.

 

️ Florentino Perez: "People say this isn't about football merit, but it's wrong. Those 15 clubs earned it on the pitch, they've been winning trophies for the last 20 years. How can you say they haven't earned it?"

Very interesting, Perez thinks the clubs past success guarantees future success yet they have to break away from the Champions League to make more money!

Or in other words 'We can't make as much money as we want following the law, so we will just ignore the law and do what we want. Because we are rich and powerful, we're not concerned about local law enforcement.'

It is a script of so many cowboy films I could hear John Wayne's voice saying the words as I was typing them!

So there we have it, ESL is the product of a robber barron mentality where your desire to make money is more important than legality.

 

Arsenal have won the FA Cup 5 times in the last 15 years which should warrant them a place in the UEFA Cup, Spurs have won the League Cup once in the last 15 years, again that warrants a place in the UEFA Cup. If that lifts them to Super League Status then surely Leicester deserve a place before either of them, after all they did win the premier league against all odds and against the financial muscle of the big 6. Even Everton won more recently than Spurs and I am going back to the 80s.
Its a load of bollocks, once they started awarding Champions League Places to clubs that were not actually champions but were finishing 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc it became very apparent that the same clubs didnt give a toss about the FA Cup or The League Cup, it wasnt until their reserves somehow made it to the semi finals that they took it seriously. The be all and end all for the greedy bastards is The Champions League and our FA Cup has probably suffered the most because of it. FA Cup Final day was a big thing in our house, following the teams from the hotel to Wembley, interviewing the players / managers / fans. It wasnt part of the Skysports gravy train so was kicked to one side by the "Elite" clubs, each and every one of them have chased the money with a top 4 finish more important than an actual trophy and why? MONEY..........it all boils down to Money, history doesnt come into it or the irrelevant mug fans that have to pay up eventually. Thats what we are being taken for by these vile money grabbing bastards, Mugs. I cant put into words how angry this made me when it broke out on Sunday, the disconnect is so big now between some of these mercenaries running football clubs and fans that the soul has gone out of football.

 

That would be nice. I do see a significant punishment for these six clubs but what in the future the individuals recruited to replace those found not trustworthy by the league of these 6 clubs who stand/stood for any league committee in the future? The replacements would be able to say "that is in the past , legitimately, I was not a part of that regime then".
I think that once the review by Tracey Crouch has been completed (the government know how valuable football is financially to the country) football will be regulated and it will be fans/supporters/trusts orientated, maybe not all in one go but evolved over a short period of time.

 

While the big six should be thrashed, it's still hard on the fans who had no inclination. Instead of a points deduction, maybes make them play their first six games three legged style, for example Salah and Mane must run around tied together etc.

 

You make a brilliant point, no matter what the punishment is it will in some way affect the fans, those owners have treat all football fans with utter contempt, they know we will always support our clubs and have fed off that loyalty. They dont own a club they are merely a temporary custodian and should show some respect for the people who support their clubs, fact is they have proved with their actions that they have zero respect for their supporters. How would they react if we stopped buying the ridiculous amounts of new shirts every season, refused to buy ever increasing season tickets, took a bottle of beer to the match instead of paying nearly £6 for one, I could go on and on but I have probably bored the lot of you now with my rambling, this has really boiled my blood because it wont go away it will just take time to reinvent itself and within 5 years we will have this Super League. I could take my kids to the matches and we treat it as a family day out, I paid for it with a 12 hour overtime shift every 2 weeks because we couldnt afford it otherwise. Those are the actions of many thousands of supporters and quite frankly some of the owners couldnt give a toss that LBW worked an extra 312 hours a year mainly on a Friday Night or Sunday Night just so he could enjoy the matchdays with his kids, not to mention the aggravation I got off the wife. Its what we do, and they are trying to take football as we know it away from us.

 

Mate, I'd like that post a hundred times were it possible.

 

I see Balague didn't address Perez apparent lack of sanity?

 

One thing I agreed with Perez on was the Champions League doesn't get interesting until the knock out stages. Not because this is when the so called big clubs are playing each other as he claimed but simply because it becomes a knockout competition where everything is riding on one game, admittedly over two legs, so two games really. But you get the point, it's an all or nothing match, mini league stage has nowhere near the same level of excitement to me as it doesn't have the same consequences.

 

Perez was complaining on Spanish radio, that it was unfair that the little clubs were making money and that the big clubs were losing it!

He is on the edge of madness that bloke. A bloviating nutter.

 

It’s just so sad where football is heading for the so called lesser clubs, my oldest absolutely loved Cantona when he was little ( against my wishes mind you ) when I took him to see us play Man Utd & he was stood not 20 feet away the bairns face lit up he was overjoyed. We beat them 2-1 as well if I remember right. Those moments will be gone forever, lesser clubs fans won’t get to see the best player’s anymore, it’s wrong on so many levels.

 

Have to agree the comp used to be good when it was the European cup and was a knockout over 2 legs. Greedy b***ards changed it to a league and screwed it up.

 

The only reason it was changed from all knockout to leagues in the first place, was to satisfy Real Madrid and the others.

 

Been in requirement of a revamp for a long time now mate.
Especially financially.

 

In the article the analysis that I posted was referring too Perez mentions the clubs involved as "the important clubs in europe" which I don't think is trying to save football - lying ****

 

Yep, more matches and guaranteed appearances equals more cash. To then spend on huge transfer and agent fees, as well as massive wages. The capatilist cat is already out the bag imo, all that's left is arguing over how the pie gets cut up. Be good to think some sort of fairer slicing comes out of all this but I won't hold me breath just yet.

 

Although I said earlier I was against a points deduction, I am now warming to the idea of a pre season deduction.
We will then see how good the super six are with points to make up and I can't imagine top players wanting to sign for mid table or relegation threatened teams.

 

As long as it's about eighty each!