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BREAKING NEWS: EUROPEAN SUPER LEAGUE

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  1. Tobes

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    Personally I’d say putting your club at real risk of expulsion from the league and competitions that they play in, by being completely underhand and not consulting with a soul outside of the boardrooms, where these ‘opportunities’ were cooked up, is a pretty ****ing huge governance failure tbh like, but there you go.
     
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  2. jaffaklopp

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    FA and UEFA talk the talk, but I don't see them doing anything about it.
    UEFA aren't gonna touch the 3 involved semi finalists, it would ruin the competition this year. They don't want to punish the wider 12 going forward as it could encourage them further.

    Ignoring the terrible format suggested for the super League and the ridiculous founder club thingy with an automatic right, whose to say those clubs involved and more can't make a new competition? What if it was super competitive with relegation and so on, UEFA would still be pissed.

    Cookie jar or cookie tin?
     
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  3. Tobes

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    I’m far too good looking for him, and straight, so we can rule that one out. :)
     
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  4. Zanjinho

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    I've always argued that it's wrong when it's happened to other clubs; they're in trouble, let's make it worse!

    Obviously, we're not in financial trouble like most of those other clubs in history were though, our owners have just massively ****ed up.

    Rules are rules and,whether it was just the owner or not (obviously was in this case), we broke them rules. Punishment is deserved and the way that's been fine handled in the past is fines and points deductions. As individuals it looks harsh but as a club we (all six) deserve it.

    The PL need to be careful though, make the punishment too harsh and piss the six off, they'll leave anyway.
     
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  5. Zanjinho

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    Used to be Tobes & Astro, before that Tobes and the late ForeDeckDave
     
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  6. Darwinism

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    The expansion and tweaking in favour of the richest clubs were only to appease the dirty dozen who insisted on them and had threatened to form a separate league otherwise.

    The changes are nonsense and should now be scrapped. Why make a competition worse? The dirty dozen have no leverage now.
     
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  7. InBiscanWeTrust

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    You should have mentioned this at the start! Obviously you were involved in the decision making so know for a fact it’s not true.. would have been a lot easier if you said that on your first post and we could have put this to bed right away.
     
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    of course they have leverage - they are amongst the most marketable footballing brands. They’ll always have leverage. <ok>
     
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  9. Darwinism

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    It would be surprising if no punishment was meted out.

    Fines in the hundred of millions should be more realistic and could be used to save some lower league clubs in danger of folding due to the pandemic. It could be paid in instalments like 20 millions a year each for the next 5 years.

    Points deduction is more problematic. A 3 point deduction would only affect LFC and Chelsea and leave City unscathed and going into the CL as champions. If all the dirty 6 had to be prevented to go into CL by points deduction then a 20 point deduction would be needed. In which case Arsenal and possibly Spurs LFC and Chelsea would be relegated. UEFA could simply exclude the dirty dozen from the CL next season but they won’t because there will be huge outcry from the global broadcasters and their audience who pay to watch the big clubs.

    They can’t leave any way. That has now been proven as a false threat that no one will dare use again for many years. Nothing major happens now without the fans consent.
     
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  10. Darwinism

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    Much much less than before. They have always used the secession threat as the key leverage to get what they want. In England after what happened and with the involvement of the government to help the football authorities, I can’t see the big clubs holding football to ransom for many decades. Now that it has been confirmed that there is a limit to what they can do on their own.
     
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  11. THE FOOL

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    I'm unsure what the Premier league coukd or should do.

    Surely the clubs wanted to set up there own league instead of uefa, but nothing was said about domestic competition. So what exactly has it got to do with the Premier league.
     
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    Again, I'll refer to history here...

    Points deductions in the past have been applied to the existing or forthcoming season depending on the outcome of said punishment...

    For example, if a team looks safe from survival of relegation, they applied the deduction that season (effectively ****ing them over). However, if they've been (or look like being) relegated that season, the deduction was applied to the following season instead.

    ... in relation to this season; Man City, Arsenal and possibly Spurs would effectively escape punishment so it would be applied to next season.


    Imo, a points deduction should be applied to next season rather than this anyway. Expel them from Europe too. However, the authorities will bottle it and let them all get away with it.
     
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  13. InBiscanWeTrust

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    I’m pretty sure they can’t do a points deduction as doesn’t it have to be voted on by the 14 other members but they will directly benefit from that punishment?

    Luvs idea of a fictional points penalty that doesn’t affect the actual table, but rearranges it in terms of prize money. Although might have no affect on city, so maybe a % of the prize money given is taken away and put into a charity or given to grass roots football etc
     
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    Interesting. Not thought about the voting and conflict if interest. Depends what the rule says, does it stipulate what the punishment can or should be? I'm guessing not otherwise we wouldn't be discussing it
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    The difference between punishments for the ESL ****e and administration is the for the latter the penalties are set out after it being used for years to clubs advantage The problem with PL punishments is nothing i have seen give guidance on appropriate punishments therefore it is up for negotiation / legal challenge .
     
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  17. Tobes

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    LOL, No need to get tetchy as none of you had bothered to seek the actual facts out before blindly arguing mate.

    You’re welcome.
     
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  18. Tobes

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    Tbf MITO argues with everyone, often unwittingly himself.
     
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    MITO argues with himself <laugh>
     
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    anyone thinking there will be real punishment is as deluded as perez.

    relegation LOLS talk about taking a revlover and saying i hate you and then putting it to your own head and firing. Do it and they will walk away.

    Points deductions LOLS find exactly where the rules of requesting a new comp and then being rejected would allow for a points deduction

    fines. LOLs again figure uot where exactly saying you'd sign up to an alternate to uefa but not doing it entitles 14 prem clubs to try force that.

    this is for UEFA not the premier legaue as the scabby ****s were saying they wanted to stay in


    as for fans winning LOLs only a moron wuld beleive that. You've just allowed CL modification the laregley benefit big clubs and you've ignored massively expepsnive ticket prices for years. you've alolowed billionaire scabs buy up ALL the clubs.

    watching other billionaire owners whine about other billionaires and trying to grab the premier league pwoer is absolutely hilarious.



    What we are really seeing is the likes of corrupt scum like gold and sullivan trying to grab their extra slice of the prem pie on the back of the 6 scabs ****ing themselves over.
     
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