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BREAKING NEWS: EUROPEAN SUPER LEAGUE

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  1. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Good question. If I supported a team like Leic (and now West Ham) who are very close to cracking the top 4 and getting a CL, it would be disheartening. All that hard work and for what?

    At the same time, I would be secretly praying that we do get invited...
     
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  2. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    One of the worst things about it ( other than everything) is the secrecy with which it came about. If the so called elite want change from the stranglehold of the governing bodies, then get together and come up with proposals that bring about meaningful change for everyone.

    Football is long overdue a revamp but do it properly and morally.
     
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  3. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    You're right about football reform is long overdue however this Super League has been in the works for a decade. I believe Perez had first mentioned it back in 2009. Football elite have been working with UEFA on reform but has constantly fell on deaf ears but UEFA are more concerned with generating more revenues for themselves.

    It's all greed at the end of the day ...
     
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    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Giving us our own tv rights doesn't seem so bad an idea now does it <laugh>

    Just think if that was all it took to make this go away or never happen, purely on our part, how simple that would have been. Unfair? Yes, but far less dramatic and devastating than a Super League.
     
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    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Am I reading you right on this; you don't like the idea of a ESL in principle but it could work in practice.
     
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  6. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Mate, I am conflicted lol. I'm at a point where no proposal is appealing to me (the CL reform sounds awful as does the current form of the ESL). I'm more interested in sticking it to the corrupt footballing organisations!

    But as with the likes of PL and CL, a lot of people were against it at the time. Maybe there is a place for it but who knows ... the issue is that there aren't enough details about the proposal available yet. Instead, all you have is the media (Sky, Neville, Cara) pushing the narrative that it's the end of the football blah blah blah.

    I wonder why they're getting so much air time (MNF was shown for free last night for the first time by the way - convenient timing(!) - is it because sky are the ones that would lose the most if the big 6 are kicked out of the PL? Who would watch the PL if these teams aren't there? Their multi billion pound deal down the drain....
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

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    many.

    a) it treats some great clubs shabbily and many leagues shabbily. (ajax is my go to here)

    b) it locks in something that hasn't got the same rivalries and likely won't develop

    c) it steps away from the real fans and towards plastics and it is based on only home fans filling stadia (out of towners etc)

    d) it shatters the football regulatory construct. Loath it as we may FIFA sits on top of a global structure for the "good" of all. Uefa regulate for all in europe not for the rich (in theory). as bad as they are siding with unregulated rich clubs is infinitely worse.

    e) it will not save the average fan a penny. It will just be yet another revenue making cash cow we have to pay more for. no fan will get a 20quid match day ticket as a result imo.
     
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  8. THE FOOL

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    I've been thinking about it and I'm unsure where all furore has come from.

    Football moves on.

    There's only a few on here arsed about the fa cup, even less about the league cup, they've been consumed and usurped by the league and the champions league.

    They used to be huge, but city have won all 3 domestic trophies and nobody gives a **** because they where punted out if the champions league in the quarters.

    Winning the champions league is the bench mark for all the big clubs now, domesticeagues have become a procession of the same winners year after year.

    Competition is non existent in most of the European leagues I'm suprised they havnt pushed for this sooner.
     
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  9. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    a) True

    b) Do we have said rivalries in the CL at the moment?

    c) Again, do we not already have this at moment? Getting a ticket is incredibly difficult for a non regular match goer without having to fork out hundreds of pounds.

    d) This is true but again, we're acting like FIFA and UEFA are good bodies. This is a body who awarded Qatar the World Cup and wants to play it in January, in the middle of the domestic calendar. And UEFA was headed by Platini who was guilty of accepting illegal payments / bribery. It's a body which has allowed teams to flaunt their wealth and circumvent FFP rules. They're in bed with PSG / Qatar.

    e) Again, this is happening already.
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    This was one of my points earlier - leagues and European competitions are already a closed shop by nature. It's very very unlikely that anyone outside of the big clubs win these tournaments.

    The furore comes from the media and Sky pushing their narrative 24/7 and giving Carra and Neville all the air time in the world. And no one of the Super League standing in front of the camera to give a reasoned and detailed proposal.

    Not too long ago, the football purists would turn their nose up at people celebrating top 4 CL qualification because they felt that winning the league cup was better. Now all of a sudden, finishing top 4 is important to these smaller clubs ....
     
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    b) its not replacing domestic leagues as the primary product is it?

    c) no we don't have this. Away fans actually exist! its a special occasion and there is travel (in the CL)

    d) i never said they were good I said they were the structure and 15 franchises is infinitely worse.

    e) you miss the point. the spurer league will hoover up masses of money, unbelievable amounts but the fans will still get with 77 pound tickets whereas in germany they can get in for 20. if fans were able to get to see football cheaper they wouldn't care as much imo. but they have seen so forgotten about the owners have not even thought to bribe them with chear seats lol.
     
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    This is it,

    Give anybody the choice, league cup and fa cup winners or you finish 4th and have a pop at the champions league.

    I reckon 90% of fans would take 4th. They'd be slathering over the possibility of the extra income and who they could attrack.

    Fans are constantly moaning about lack of signings, wanting more and more money spent, well that money has got yo come from somewhere and here we are.
     
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  13. Darwinism

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    Everyone has a stake in this. Sky has a huge one. Government and football authorities have too. Pundits and football fans. I had my doubts too at the time of the formation of the premiership but today I am completely unhesitatingly opposed to this money grabbing nonsense and so should all right thinking fans.

    The main issue this time compared to the previous reforms and changes is the elimination of the risk for these 6 clubs. All the previous changes retained the risk of non participation in the CL. Yes, there were changes previously which meant people made more money and people had to pay more. This time however, the very fundamentals of the sport are being changed. There is no risk or jeopardy for some clubs. Look at Spurs and Arsenal. They are dreadful atm, yet with the new league, they are guaranteed the super league no matter what. A club like West Ham could be having a great season but they wouldn’t be there. As Guardiola just said this afternoon a sport where there is no connection between effort success and reward, is no longer a sport.
     
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  14. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    b) The premise is that the Super League is alongside the domestic league (CL replacement).

    c) Not sure I follow this. Fans will travel to watch us play in SL as they do in the CL. Guaranteed.

    d) Not convinced

    e) again, ticket prices are already high. And this is an issue not exclusive to the SL.
     
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    Very much so. Bear inind all the sports coverage sky has lost recently. The only prize assets they have left are F1 and The PL- look at the big deal they make out of F1 even when it was just Hamilton running away with the title.

    They would have told carra and Gnev to ram the message home like there is no tomorrow
     
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    Agree. This for me is the single biggest barrier to entry. I don't like the idea of closed competition - it's an exclusive boys club.
     
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  17. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    I guarantee if the Super League is allowed and these big clubs are allowed to remain in the PL, Sky's stance will completely change on the topic. Not only that, they will be first to bid for the tv rights.
     
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    It does, but as in all things change isn't always for the better.
    Our getting used to bad things doesn't stop them being bad things. The devaluing of the domestic game is really sad, imo, and further devaluation is not justified purely on the basis that it's happened before.
     
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  19. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    But how does this devalue the domestic game? I agree, the PL and national leagues need to be protected but how does it damage it?

    And what do you mean change isn't always for the better? Haven't you seen the positive impact VAR has had?... :)
     
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    It is not just the entry it is also about the exit or relegation.

    This also means the destruction of the premiership as a strong competitive league. Already the thinking is that even if the selfish 6 remain, weakened sides would be fielded in the domestic league. Because it doesn’t matter if LFC or City finish 15th or even 20th they are guaranteed a super league place. How is it a competitive sport as we know it? It is more and more like an American franchise.
     
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