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Off Topic Tottenham a Founder Member of a Breakaway European Super League

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  1. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    Mostly right but the only ways to sort the team out and win things are to get lucky or have more money. There is no example anywhere of the club with the fifth or sixth most money having anything other than fleeting success.
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

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    Guess which dead horse has been lined up for another beating?
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Yes, sure, "financial problems" faced by those two...
     
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  4. The Huddlefro

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    If anyone wants a good laugh I enjoyed the Leeds (yes, I know) Twitter account before, during and after the Liverpool game last night. For me this was obviously the highlight:



    If this kind of social media ****housery gets more fans up in arms about the changes then I’m all for it tbf. Wolves are also claiming the 2018/19 PL Championship for themselves <laugh>



    Patrick Bamford chiming in too with a good point about the uproar this has caused when compared to how racist abuse has been discussed.

     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

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    UEFA's thundering continues to be undermined by rules set in place by...let me check...members of UEFA

     
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  6. The Huddlefro

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    So one defection from the gang of 6 would be enough.
     
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  7. LockStock

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    Erm…. Firstly, fleeting success would do at this point.

    Secondly, If Levy had actually backed either Pochettino or Mourinho in the way they wanted, we may well be celebrating some of that fleeting success without spending ridiculous amounts.

    Bruno Fernandes / Jack Grealish for Pochettino and Milan Škriniar for Mourinho are just three examples of players that may well have made the difference between a failure and fleeting success. We always seem to be slightly under investing in the right areas.

    I don't get how we can afford to sack managers and pay them millions in signing off fees, but can't just get the players in that might make a difference. Jose has done better than he'll get credit for in attempting to balance the squad, despite Levy signing players counter to his requirements.

    Just like Jose is being called to look at himself and his style in taking accountability for things, so must Daniel Levy.

    I'm not 'Levy out' (I have no idea who could do a better job.), but I am 'Levy SORT IT OUT!'.

    As an aside, I'd recall Skipp right now, as Norwich are safe, and play him alongside Højbjerg and Ndombele for the rest of the season.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    On a scale of 1-1,000,000 how funny would it be if we dropped out of the ESL then voted to have the other five clubs booted out of the league?

    One of the clubs on the list have had it coming for over a century, it has to be said...
     
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  9. LockStock

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    Makes even more sense as to why Arsenal and Tottenham have been included in the 'elite' 6.
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    As their name would be first to be voted on thanks to the alphabet, I wonder if they'll be worried if Levy receives a text just before the vote and leaves the room for a couple of minutes...
     
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  11. The Huddlefro

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    As funny as it would be, I can’t see it happening. The only way Levy u-turns on this is if that statement is accompanied by his letter of resignation.

    Speculation as well is that by having a bloc of 6 from the PL, they’ll form a group of shared interests in the ESL founders who of course run that competition, meaning that if they hold firm together then no changes to the competition can be made without their joint approval.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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  13. No Kane No Gain

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    A lot of huge multinationals view assets as much better than profit. Dividends and profits aren't so important when you spend ~£200m on a business and in 15-20 years it's worth well over a billion, as ENIC have.

    Most importantly though, at that level it's about power for control. Amazon control their market, Uber and Lyft control their market(for now). That's where the value is. If the ESL goes ahead and is a success, those 15 clubs will control the elite football market. The value of every club with founder status will rise massively if this works - that's why every team that's in it is there - not just Inter and Milan. Stability is only one part of it and can be achieved without a monopoly but that's not what they're going for. From the outset they've banned any competitive jeopardy for their clubs. If they're fed up of players trying to control their image rights, they'll ban that. If they want to have their teams play games across the globe, they will. If they want to get rid of the "qualifying" clubs to make room for new billionaire-backed clubs, that will happen too.

    None of this is particularly new. UEFA and the top leagues have bent over backwards to please these clubs for years, the only difference is that in the current set up, there are still some red lines that they can't cross and the ESL has none.

    I don't share your view that this will be watered down into a reformed CL but even if it were, where's the positive for fans, or for clubs lower down? These clubs have been rinsing us for decades on the basis of our loyalty and support for a club they didn't create and a game they didn't invent. Even without the ESL is there one thing that turning these clubs into mega-corporations has improved for the fans? All I see is £60 shirts £1,000 season tickets, £100s for TV packages with no improvement to the game. We're each of us getting rinsed until we can't afford it and we're replaced by someone else who can so the cycle begins again.
     
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  14. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Brilliant.
     
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  15. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Also brilliant.
     
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  16. Citizen Kane.

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    Superb post.
     
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  17. PleaseNotPoll

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    The **** was born and raised in Dundee. There's two teams to pick from there in the same ****ing street.
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    Dundee Utd on the right, Dundee further down on the left. You could switch grounds at half-time.
     
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  18. PleaseNotPoll

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    If by "football" you mean "the big two in La Liga, who've killed their golden goose", then he's right.
    They did an SPL.
     
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  19. Spurf

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    Good for Alan Shearer. Should the 6 be banned from the PL ? Shearer: Yes without doubt, they have lobbed a grenade at the PL we need to lob one back.

    That's what I said yesterday and I stick by it. These bastards (and they are bastards) are trying keep all the money generated by football to themselves. **** the thousands of teams who will not be allowed to take part, **** the fans and **** the traditions of the sport.

    Better still just nationalise the 6 and hand them to the fans Joe Lewis sits in Bermuda and doesn't even pay UK tax **** him.
     
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  20. PleaseNotPoll

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    Shearer can go **** himself. He was happy to fill his pockets when he signed for Blackburn, so he's in no position to cry about greed in football.
    I'm utterly opposed to this ****e, but it's drawn a hell of a lot of hypocrites out of the woodwork.
     
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