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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Robref62, Apr 18, 2021.

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What are your thoughts on the propsed new European Super League

  1. **** em. Kick them out now and ban the clubs from national, UEFA and FiFA comps.

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  2. Best thing to happen to football

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  3. **** em harder, Ban the players as well

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  4. Meh, never watch the overpaid primadonas anyway

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  1. True,except that,conversely,they try to ensure competition remains for everyone via the draft system.
     
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  2. rb92

    rb92 Well-Known Member

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    It’s worse than an NFL model. The NFL has a salary cap and draft system to ensure equality. These clubs don’t want any equality or any competition at all. It’s disgusting.
     
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    Blyth_bucaneer Well-Known Member

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    I am so fcuking angry at this, took it out on my soft boiled egg, smashed the top with the back of a spoon and disintegrated the whole egg. Bastards.
     
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    gelders pie Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't watch for free - so no chance of them getting me to pay. I also wouldn't watch because the last people who should be meddling with association football are the yanks. Wasn't USA 94 so called because only 94 Americans knew what the game was -- and weren't even those surprised that a competition including the title ''world'' actually included teams from other parts of the world
     
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    That's true a draft and a salary cap. But the salary cap only allows owners to skim off more profits
    and the draft attempts to level up the teams but only within the closed shop of the league. New teams can join the NFL but not on merit
    If you have enough money you can create a new franchise and apply to join. Its not sport its manufactured entertainment no better than the bloody wrestling.

    Think we have a few things going on here. Teams like Juventus Barc and Real are actually financially in the **** and need money now.
    The Americans see an opportunity and are offering eye watering sums that will sort all their short term problems.
    But the Americans will get what they want in the long term. A closed shop franchised money making entertainment business
    The whole thing stinks
     
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  7. <laugh> <laugh> Eggsasperating!
     
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  8. rooch 3

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    Did you Chuck Chuck Chuck it in the bin
     
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    Sandy Camel Well-Known Member

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    I crushed a grape in total rage.

    About the NFL, just had a look at who has won Superbowl since 92 and there's loads.

    Dallas Cowboys
    San Francisco 49ers
    Green Bay Packers
    Denver Broncos
    St Louis Rams
    Baltimore Ravens
    New England Patriots
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Pittsburgh Steelers
    Indianapolis Colts
    New York Giants
    New Orleans Saints
    Seattle Seahawks
    Philadelphia Eagles
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    15 different winners over near on 30 year. We've had 7 winners of the Prem in that time with Leicester, Blackburn and Liverpool taking one each. The rest is between Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal. They've already got a massive financial advantage and the greedy bastards want even more of the pie. In fact, they just want their own pie, regardless of how well they have done in a sporting competition. Hope they ****ing choke on their JP Morgan short crust.
     
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  10. You're right...I take the point about the closed shop of the league...but,at least that system tries to ensure the top teams will never always be at the top,and the bottom will never always be at the bottom...regardless of location,stadium capacity,transient crowd size or advertising pull.
    The PL could have learned from it and used the Championship as the NFL uses the Colleges. Problem ,of course,is that the top 6 would never have agreed to it,as it would have lowered their chances of being top every single season and thus gaining the pathway into the CL.
     
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  11. Essayyeffcee

    Essayyeffcee Well-Known Member

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    I find it quite ironic that the Premier League are not happy regarding this. I can understand the reasoning behind how bad this is for football and the reasoning can only be for pure greed which was the reason behind the Premier League being set up. The following is taken from the Premier League Wikipedia page :-

    During the 1980s major English clubs had begun to transform into business ventures, applying commercial principles to club administration to maximise revenue. Martin Edwards of Manchester United, Irving Scholar of Tottenham Hotspur, and David Dein of Arsenal were among the leaders in this transformation.[17] The commercial imperative led to the top clubs seeking to increase their power and revenue: the clubs in Division One threatened to break away from the Football League, and in so doing they managed to increase their voting power and gain a more favourable financial arrangement, taking a 50% share of all television and sponsorship income in 1986.[17] They demanded that television companies should pay more for their coverage of football matches,[18] and revenue from television grew in importance. The Football League received £6.3 million for a two-year agreement in 1986, but by 1988, in a deal agreed with ITV, the price rose to £44 million over four years with the leading clubs taking 75% of the cash.

    The 1988 negotiations were conducted under the threat of ten clubs leaving to form a "super league", but they were eventually persuaded to stay, with the top clubs taking the lion's share of the deal.[19][22][23] The negotiations also convinced the bigger clubs that in order to receive enough votes, they needed to take the whole of First Division with them instead of a smaller "super league".[24] By the beginning of the 1990s, the big clubs again considered breaking away, especially now that they had to fund the cost of stadium upgrade as proposed by the Taylor Report.[25]

    In 1990, the managing director of London Weekend Television (LWT), Greg Dyke, met with the representatives of the "big five" football clubs in England (Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Everton and Arsenal) over a dinner.

    See a pattern emerging? Chelsea taking Everton's place and Man City bought their way into the party.
     
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    It's no yolk, had to do another one.
     
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    Cracking joke that.
     
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    If you’d recorded it you could of made it into a chick flick, except a snuff film version <laugh>
     
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    At least you didn't have to shell out and buy some more
     
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    Aye, money talks but at least the Prem still has promotion and relegation. It's also the case that you qualify for Europe due to how you've done domestically and that will be taken away. Leicester and West Ham could both finish top four this season but if the ESL was in place, they wouldn't be playing in it. That devalues the sporting merit of the league imo and takes away what should be a reward for how well you've done.
     
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    Think the closed shop is the killer
    Personally I couldn't really care about who runs the champions league (UEFA and FIFA aren't exactly role models) if like the Premier League they what to create a new one run by the clubs fine let them. But its the idea that a few teams (or their owners more like) decide that at this moment in time they are top of the tree and
    vote themselves as the chosen few never to be relegated. Goes against everything the football pyramid has been about for over 100 years
    Who the hell do they think they are.
     
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  18. Good post mate.
     
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  19. Nads

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    Simple facts are the NFL is in essence a national game, football is the worlds.

    The 2 are not comparable, the model will not work over time.
     
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    Agree mate. And the fact they are never relegated means they have an income stream for ever no other club in their domestic league can compete with. Thus it is highly likely they will be dominant in the domestic league making that a borderline closed shop too.

    I find the whole idea rank. Glad to see the UEFA chief go ballistic and I hope he can back words up with action. What would really now put the cat among the pigeons is for some top managers to quit in protest. Imagine if Klopp said he will have no part of it...
     
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