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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    This cynical old git says any review will be headed up by a senior Tory then go to a vote before Parliament where MPs are whipped to vote along party lines ..... I’ve just about had it ....
     
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  4. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    I found it on Facebook, I think it came from Byline Times, an excellent publication.
     
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  6. Archers Road

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    Yes indeed, forget objective independent scrutiny, not going to happen...

    https://apple.news/AAW8pBLhiQBaMlWgwb6crGg
     
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    Yep, politics is well and truly broken in this country, with not even a gimmer of hope for a change to something close to an honest government. It's almost unbelievable how many politicians have become so brazen about their dishonesty without caring what anyone thinks. The other problem is that half the population don't seem to care what they do, and will likely vote for them again. It's a dreadful mess and we are going to have to live with it for a very long time. Sickening to be honest but there's very little any of us can do.
     
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  8. ChilcoSaint

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    As an indicator of life in the democratic, free-from-feudalism 21st Century, tonight’s scheduled Parish Council meeting on Zoom had to be postponed. The reason? The notice for the meeting had been sent out last Friday, which happened to be the start of the official Period of Mourning for Phil the Greek. Under the Local Government Act 1972 you can hold a meeting during a P of M but you can’t give notice of a meeting. So we can’t give notice of this meeting until the first working day after the funeral, i.e. next Monday, and as there has to be 3 days notice, the earliest we can hold tonight’s meeting is next Thursday,

    I thought I had wandered into some weird Ruritanian fantasy world while all this was being discussed on email.
     
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    Boris looks a bit like the Honey Monster, and that alone is enough to persuade huge swathes of the electorate to vote for him. The weakest link in any democracy is the electorate, and ours is utterly infantile.
     
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    Funnily enough i pay for the Guardian, even though i am a brexit tory voter because i like the paper. I dont particularly care whether you believe that but tis the truth. Again we have different view points. Are you telling me you are happy for a jumped up trade organisation to interfere with private industry! I always put my hands up that i voted leave and proud of it.
     
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    You have a perfect right to vote the way you did, rednright. I would just like you to tell me, please, what benefit we have got from the whole thing, because, so far, I’m struggling to see quite what we’ve achieved.
    Also, are you ok with the way the current government are handling the award of contracts to, what appears to be companies with very close ties to individual MPs?
    Thanks
     
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    Good stuff thank you. I voted for the EEC in 1975, my first vote actually as I believed in European trade and still do. I voted to leave because I am dead against integrated federalisation. The fact the UK was not given a chance to vote on the treaty of Utrecht and Treaty of Rome was a disgrace. if we went back to an EEC I would be in favour but the EU is a different beast. obviously the torys are the kings of cronyism which is disappointing but in my view a better bet than Labour. odd really as I’m not a capitalist but every time Labour gets into power they tend to **** up the country (in my view) I’m also pro Scotland leaving - more cash for us. Hope that helps!
     
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    I think it's obvious that brexit is bad.

    As for the government handing out contracts to who they want, i think that would have happened in or out of the EU. I guess a consolation of Brexit is that they now can't hide behind the EU and should be accountable for their actions
     
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    So much wrong with this, but I’ll keep this short. Just to say that referendums aren’t the way we normally do things in this country, we elect governments to form international treaties as, until the last few years, we could usually trust governments to act in the nation’s best interests.

    The most recent treaty, the treaty of Lisbon, actually prevented further integration or federalisation of the EU, but that of course is conveniently forgotten by the Brexiters. And it never was simply a trade organisation, that’s just nonsense. The reason the Common Market was first formed was to make war between the member states impossible and unthinkable, and that has been achieved. The two major conflicts on European soil since WW2, the Balkans war in the 90’s and the Troubles in Ireland, were both resolved largely because of the EU, and Brexit has led to the Irish issues rearing their head once more. Freedom of movement of goods, services and people, created wealth and opportunities for hundreds of millions of Europeans, and now British people have had all those benefits snatched away. There is no benefit to Brexit, unless you’re a disaster capitalist, which you presumably aren’t.
     
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    So ..... we sacrifice freedom of movement, trillions of pounds moved to the EU, companies unable to export or import to/from EU because, despite 4 years to get it right, no system has been put into place, sacrifice the Good Friday Agreement (with the potential for a restart of “the troubles”), potentially break up the Union, push Sterling down and, basically, **** up the economy because we didn’t get to vote on 2 treaties (which, if my history knowledge is right, happened before we joined)? Hmmm. Ok.
    Ask any company doing business with the EU how things have changed. I am still in touch with my old company and they are seriously considering closing the U.K. factory (the biggest outside the US) and relocating to mainland Europe because of the massive issues they are now having with imports and exports. And this is BEFORE Johnson’s pathetic deal actually fully kicks in (June I believe) when FULL checks will be made at the border.
    The EU isn’t perfect, I fully agree, but there were very few issues with it until they started talking about closing tax loopholes and tax havens. Massive red flag for certain U.K. people who were making billions from this, so, cue a huge PR exercise about how bad the EU are, an uncountable number of lies and a gullible population who wouldn’t or couldn’t look behind the lies to see the truth. The U.K. had some of the most favourable conditions, we had the right to veto anything we didn’t like (which we hardly ever used, I must point out) and we never had to sign up to the Euro or Schengen.
    The only thing which makes me slightly happy at the moment is that my daughter is married to a man who has an Irish passport, so my granddaughter MAY have a chance to a future ..... Me? My thoughts of retiring to the sun or spending half a year in France or Spain have gone. All to line the pockets of a bunch of rich, privileged toe-rags who don’t give a flying **** about anyone or anything but their bank accounts.
    Rant over .... I’ll go back into my box now ....
     
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    Just to clarify -
    Treaty of Utrecht, signed Aug. 13, 1713, the Spanish treaty with Savoy was concluded, ceding the former Spanish possession of Sicily to Victor Amadeus II as his share of the spoils of war. In return he renounced his claims upon the Spanish throne.
    The Treaty of Rome, signed: 25 March 1957, or EEC Treaty (officially the Treaty establishing the European Economic Community), brought about the creation of the European Economic Community (EEC), the best known of the European Communities (EC). Both before UK joined.
     
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    Chilco, the troubles in N.I. was not regarded a conflict in that sense and largely brokered by US intervention. I am married to a catholic from south Tyrone and I can assure you that it’s all still bubbling away and in that respect the position of sides has not changed. The balkans had a large UK and UN/NATO presence, what did the EU at the time do exactly? Anyway thanks for the response, we will always be on different sides to this debate but good to talk!
     
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