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  1. The Penguin

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    Is it just me, or is Gavin (pike) Williamson the most irritating person in politics?
     
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    Yes, he is <laugh>
     
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    No I’m not ‘aving that. That prize must surely go to Ms Sturgeon
     
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  5. lardiman

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    Well done to the Judge <applause>

    That guy needs banning from the internet.
    What a loser.
     
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  6. The Penguin

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    If I remember rightly a parliamentary candidate for the Brexit Party tweeted a couple of years ago that he wouldn't even rape Ms Phillips, and never apologised.
    Especially pleasing that he didn't get away with playing the "Freedom of Speech" card in this despicable way. Politicians who stick their head above the parapet deserve credit, even from those who disagree with their opinions.
     
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    All freedoms come with responsibilities - as all reasonable people agree I think.

    Claiming absolute freedom to spout hatred and incite violence is an abuse of the ideals of freedom, and merely plays into the hands of those who will suppress freedom in order to maintain their own power and control.

    Anyone who thinks it's OK to incite others to murder or maim is more guilty in a way than anyone weak-minded enough to be incited.
     
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    Freedom of speech was all well and good back in the day when people had respect for each other and wouldn't overstep the mark, but merely express their own opinion. But I'm afraid the world has changed now and there are many out there who abuse freedom of speech in order to incite others for their own aims. It's sad that it has come to this, but we are now in a situation where we do have to control what people can say, if what they say causes others to commit murder, rape and other serious crimes.
     
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    The government's supporters accept that it is riddled with corruption but don't care, because Labour is still so unpopular.
     
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    Cameron really was a poor Prime Minister.
    I think even John Major achieved more. Blair too, though I was never a fan of either of them.

    Cameron seemed more concerned with his public image as a 'nice bloke' rather than taking the Referendum seriously.
    His remain campaign was lacklustre and complacent - and those were two of its better qualities.

    DC barely has a reputation worth tarnishing in my view.
     
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    Yes but he has saved hundreds of lives by giving us Brexit, freedom, vaccines.

    Oh alright, that’s stretching it a bit.

    As you were - he was terrible
     
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    Strangely, I liked John Major. Seemed a decent bloke.
     
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    David Cameron appeared to believe that the referendum was a vote of confidence in him personally.
    It was never sold to the electorate as that.

    But when he didn't get the result he was expecting, he abandoned his post and walked away.
    Never in history did the UK have a Prime Minister so bereft of character and any sense of responsibility.

    Dennis Skinner was worth 10 of him.
     
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    To be fair to David Cameron (and I don't think he deserves it but anyway..) he was a remainer through and through. I think he knew that any deal was going to displease a good percentage of people in the leave group, plus all the remainers, and his views as a remainer would be blamed. While I hold him and his cowardly referendum entirely to blame, once the votes were counted, it was really better that someone who believed leaving the EU was best to negotiate the deal. At the very least, a leaver was never going to be accused of betraying the vote, but Cameron would have been accused of that by some elements of the Leave camp no matter what deal he brought back.
     
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