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  1. Saints Fan4Life

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    So the latest inspiration of our beloved government is for adults to have 2 covid tests a week. These can be done at home.

    Wonder what's stopping anyone faking a result to get a pass on the (another brilliant invention of our beloved leaders) covid passport?
     
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    The tests are really easy and quick, but I am not sure how accurate they are. If you get a positive you have to go get a proper test done...
     
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  3. Saints Fan4Life

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    Yeah that's right, we have a few here at home.

    What's to stop me (or anyone) faking a ,negative result with one to get in entry somewhere?
     
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    Nothing, but a person would need to be absolute garbage in order to fake tests in order to knowingly travel while having COVID. I'm sure people that selfish exist, but I'd like to believe there aren't many of them.
     
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    Agree, but I was more pointing towards those who are fit and healthy and showing no symptoms.
     
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  6. San Tejón

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    Or so in need of money they would ignore the test.
    This has been an issue throughout the pandemic, where people with families to care for cannot get sufficient money to feed their children or heat their homes or to pay their rent and avoid being evicted.
    On that last point alone, Shelter are expecting 1000s of evictions to start happening, as a result of people not being able to pay their rent. So, whilst not condoning someone faking a test result, and I would be apoplectic with rage if one such person caused one of my loved ones to die, I can understand why they might take the risk.

    What people need to remember is that the UK has registered almost 60000 Covid deaths since Johnson ignored the advice of the experts and allowed families to mix at Christmas and save some anger for that.
     
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  7. ChilcoSaint

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    If they have Covid and are asymptomatic then they can still infect and possibly kill other, more vulnerable people. I would say faking a test result puts you in the same category as those who deliberately infect others with HIV.
     
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  8. Saints Fan4Life

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    Goes back to my previous point that the vulnerable people will be 90% (or whatever it is) protected after having their vaccine.

    It's all so unnecessary, in my opinion if the vulnerable are protected. Of which most of them are.
     
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    A minority of younger people are unknowingly vulnerable too, until they catch it. The 22 year old son of a friend of mine is still struggling with long-Covid nearly 8 months after catching it. He was perfectly healthy prior to his dad bringing the virus home from work (he's a GP).

    It's necessary. The only way to stop the virus mutating, as has been said on here many times, is to stop it spreading. Vaccinate everyone if possible, but if not, maintain test and trace, and yes, I think vaccine passports for certain situations might be a good idea.
     
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  10. Saints Fan4Life

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    Unfortunately, we are never going to stop it spreading. It's been to widespread to completely eradicate it. Even lockdowns can't stop it spreading.

    Flu mutates, and we combat that by tweaking the vaccine and redploying every year.

    We have to start treating this like a normal flu season. And we don't need twice weekly tests and passports for that. And you might throw back at me it's more deadly, contagious etc... yes it was at its peak, but with the vaccination program underway, we are now down to flu-like levels. And as such we should carry on treating it like a flu season.

    I guess I'm just feeling frustrated right now. I've put 14 months (ish) of mine and my families life on hold to protect the old and vulnerable, and i just feel like right now, I'm never getting my previous freedoms back, particularly with these latest ideas of passports and regular testing. That's not freedom to me.
     
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    I would imagine that the number of people who take a test, receive a positive result, but then choose to pretend it was negative would be incredibly small. Because aside from the fact that is pretty inhumane, why would the person have even bothered to take the test in the first place? (We might find out more later today, but I'm not reading that the two weekly tests will be enforced/monitored.)

    But I think you are absolutely right to highlight the risk of people who are showing no symptoms and therefore don't bother to take a test. They could just say that they've done one and that it was negative. I would imagine that could be quite a substantial number. And hence if this system was to be used as a means of gaining entry into venues etc, it is clearly flawed as you allude to.
     
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    Apparently these tests are between 30-50% inaccurate anyway.
     
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    I think comparing continuing with life with covid and deliberately infecting someone with HIV is totally spurious. Therr are many who have no choice but to try to keep their businesses afloat who may still try to sanitise, wear a mask, etc. Yes they are doing the wrong thing but in a misguided rather than malicious way.

    To infect someone with HIV deliberately you would have to actively seduce someone and choose not to wear contraception. They are also passing on (or were before treatments) a certain life changing death sentence. Covid is not so certain.

    Both may be slightly similar but hardly a fair comparison.
     
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    As I have posted before, vulnerable people with cancer may have very little protection as a small study showed that the Pfizer vaccine, the first one offered to the most vulnerable, is not very protective of cancer sufferers.
    As far as I am aware, we still don’t even know if the Pfizer vaccine can retain maximum efficacy if it isn’t administered correctly, ie the second 3 weeks after the first.
    One Pfizer jab, in the study, gave cancer sufferers just 39% immunity rising to 45% after the second, if the second was given 5 weeks after the first.
    Until tests are done, we don’t know how efficacy of the vaccines differ amongst vulnerable groups, whose condition or the drugs they take may have an effect on immunity.
     
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  15. San Tejón

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    The easing of the lockdown will be interesting to watch.
    If I remember correctly, the age groups that were most likely to breach the rules, the last time we came out of lockdown, are the age groups that are still to be vaccinated.
    I guess, in a few weeks time, we will find out how we stand in the fight against Covid.
     
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    I think the future is positive. The virus will be kept in abeyance once we are all regularly vaccinated every year....especially as it appears that new vaccines can be produced rapidly by tweaking as needed.

    And we should bear in mind that vaccines are sometimes said to be less effective against some strains...not ineffective. A population largely resistant to Covid will make it very hard for a new strain to take hold. A new strain may have an advantage but it will need a pool of susceptible people for that advantage to gain traction. Always remember the virus is not an organism with a plan....it just develops random changes.
     
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    I've just driven through my local town, and from what I could see, the age groups that were flagrantly ignoring any social distancing and contact were the groups that have had the jab. Loads of oldies in groups, hand shaking, hugs and mostly mask-less. I find it very difficult to try and get my 18 year old to stick to the rules when she has to walk on the road because the pavements are blocked by groups of pensioners.
    It's pretty clear that large numbers of people actually don't give a **** about the sacrifices that the general population have been making for the last year, and I can understand why people are saying enough is enough.
     
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  18. San Tejón

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    There is no excuse for what they are doing. I guess they now feel safe and the rules don’t apply to them.
     
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    One of the best things I saw on TV last year was a journalist fishing for more criticism of young people from some professor and him telling her we would all be better off if we spent more time noticing that 99.9% of young people have obeyed rules that have damaged them for the benefit of others and deserve a huge amount of praise. Why do we insist on playing this stupid blame game?
     
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  20. Archers Road

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    So, who feels safe, who is still afraid, and to what extent is it all a state of mind?

    I had my first jab three weeks ago. Don’t feel any different than I did before, mentally or physically. I’m still observing the rules as well as I can, and doing my best not to endanger others; but speaking entirely for myself, I’m happy to take my chances now, with a disease that is statistically far less likely to kill me than either heart disease or cancer are.

    No more ****ing lockdowns, please.
     
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