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COVID 19 and vaccines

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Vincemac, Feb 15, 2021.

  1. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    I'm a firm believer in, if you want to live in society, you need to make sacrifices for the benefit of society.

    If that's getting the jab, fine.

    If it's putting trousers on to take your kids to school, great.

    Etc. Etc.

    I just put my opinion aside in the name of discourse. I was just interested in what the motives might be to consider not doing it.

    I understand no one should be made to do anything. And I understand everyone should have a choice.

    But I see no reason currently why anyone would need to be forced into a jab, or why anyone would choose not to take it.

    Each to their own though.
     
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  2. Draig

    Draig Well-Known Member

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    Nah, it is the EU and Europe's leaders doing all they can to mitigate blame for not properly and quickly securing their supply from AZ.

    Keep casting doubt upon it and many EU citizens won't want it so it won't be such an issue that the EU aren't getting the numbers of that vaccine they thought they were.
     
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  3. Comfy

    Comfy Well-Known Member

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    I know everyone has a choice on whether to or not, have you thought about holidays abroad if they bring this vaccine passport in. I suppose not having it will make it a lot harder and more expensive to go away
     
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  4. rowley

    rowley Well-Known Member

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    No idea why anyone wouldn't want a vaccine , but the choice is theirs.

    It is worth saying mind, that many of us on here would not have made it this far without one vaccine or another.
     
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    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    Mind lasted 3 days:emoticon-0121-angry
     
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  6. Confucius

    Confucius Well-Known Member

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    Had the AZ on Thursday and by Friday morning felt like I’d been hit by a bus. However by tea time everything was fine again. Today is ok with the odd exception of aching muscles that comes with old age. Mind where I was jabbed is sore as **** to touch.
     
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  7. Nig

    Nig Well-Known Member

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    I don't go abroad, don't have a passport anymore.
    But there may be other issues brought into play which may force me to take it .

    I don't know why some people who have it complain about the ones that don't, after all they'll be immune :)
     
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  8. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Are they immune?

    I didn't think that was the general consensus as to what the benefit of the vaccine was.

    I thought it was that they were unlikely to experience the severity of the illness. Not full on immunity.

    I ask because I'm genuinely not sure. There is a lot of contradiction out there.
     
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    Millfield Maestro 1879 Well-Known Member

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    Generally with Oxford vaccine you are looking at 76% immunity but 100% protection from serious illness. Also 67% less likely to carry the virus
     
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  10. Sunderpitt

    Sunderpitt Well-Known Member

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    For instance to get into the SoL?
     
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  11. Nig

    Nig Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, I'm not sure either.
    Mind you, neither are the so called experts.
     
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    Bank of England 2 Well-Known Member

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    You'll be fine mate. Daughter had headaches and felt a bit sick with the AZ. Take a few paracetamols for 24 hours before and after. Probably psychological, but it helped the missus.
     
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    Blond Bombshell Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the heads up marra
     
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  14. The Doodler

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    So ...the more people vaccinated results in more people with potential immunity. More people immune will reduce the contagion and the risks of a severe illness in anyone, including the elderly and vulnerable. That's the way I see it.

    From this point it would be logical to say that it is our moral obligation to consider all members of our society, irrespective of people's personal beliefs towards the reality of Covid, the efficacy of the vaccine or being in a low risk group. I have yet to hear of anyone over 80, medically at risk such as receiving cancer treatment, or even simply pregnant who has rejected the vaccine. If I were in one of those categories I would be alarmed by Covid deniers or vaccine objectors and feel disappointed that my concerns due to risks related to my medical condition were being ignored by some.

    The vast majority in this country want the vaccine, some are even emboldened by the political rhetoric coming from EU that has criticised our Oxford Astrazeneca jab. The vast majority also believe there is a global pandemic of potentially disastrous proportions if we don't stay at home, wear masks when we go out and that we have a vaccine will help us get out of this mess more quickly.

    Surely civilised societies are governed by the will of the people?
     
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  15. Nig

    Nig Well-Known Member

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    Civilised societies are governed by media.
    Whatever your views ;)
     
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    monty987 Well-Known Member

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    Had mine astrazenica vaccine Wed 24th March no bother at all, the staff were wonderful, nightingale centre it was like a sci fi fiction film mind. slight sore arm and that's it, still wearing the mask, washing hands etc, done my back gardening on Tues so a sore arm is a piece of piss compared to this !.
     
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    For me the issue of the vacine passport in pubs is easily solved - let pubs decide i.e. one pub advertises that you need a passport to get in fair enough. Another pub says anyone can go in fair enough whats the problem?
     
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  18. Ozzymac

    Ozzymac Well-Known Member

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    I think it comes down to equal rights both ways.

    Anti vaxers can choose not to have the vaccination and businesses/society can choose to exclude them from things due to their choice.
     
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    gelders pie Well-Known Member

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    Apparently an intensive care nurse in Byron Bay posted her picture of herself having her jab. Anti vaxxers have gone on social media claiming she soon fell into a coma and is unlikely to recover. Idiots like these and social media are a real problem -- as are the further ' I saw it on facebook therefore it must be right'' idiots who believe them
     
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  20. clockstander

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    My second appointment should be next week or the week after at latest, I had little or no reaction to the first AZ injection, and wonder if the flue jab had any bearing, as I had had mine a few weeks prior to the first jab. Anyhow in the interests of science I will report on how it goes shortly, all being well.
     
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