1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Daily Racing Thread Saturday 27th. March 2021

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by attivo, Mar 26, 2021.

  1. attivo

    attivo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2014
    Messages:
    4,573
    Likes Received:
    4,189
    #1
    Resurgam and karlos5001 like this.
  2. CaptainPops

    CaptainPops Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    1,437
    In the Newbury 3.25pm tomorrow I like the look of Lilly Pedlar so have taken 9/1 4 places with Bet365.

    Looks to have a cracking chance. More to follow...
     
    #2
    karlos5001 likes this.
  3. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    48,626
    Likes Received:
    16,139
    Good luck picking the Lincoln winner. I have already picked several possibilities and haven't looked at half of them <doh>

    The ones having taken my eye so far are.

    Haqeeqy, Brentford Hope, Danyah and Librisa Breeze

    So there's 4 to avoid
     
    #3
    karlos5001 likes this.
  4. CaptainPops

    CaptainPops Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    1,437
    I wasn't thinking of backing any of those...:emoticon-0107-sweat
     
    #4
  5. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    48,626
    Likes Received:
    16,139
    That increases your chance of winning then <laugh>
     
    #5
    Archers Road and CaptainPops like this.
  6. CaptainPops

    CaptainPops Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    1,437
    Hopefully Ron...:emoticon-0100-smile
     
    #6
  7. stick

    stick Bumper King

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2012
    Messages:
    18,712
    Likes Received:
    10,951
    I think BRENTFORD HOPE has a massive chance Ron. Many positives going for him, he is classy, progressive since getting over his injury and he has pulled a plum draw, you want to be on one of the wings. Eastern World should go well from the other side.
    I may look stupid this time tomorrow but I really cant have the favourite. I dont see it as one of those group horse types in a handicap and if it was you wouldnt bother legging up a claimer albeit he is good value for his 7lbs.
    VINTAGE CLARETS ticks every box for me in the Brocklesby but the layers are very tight with their pricing on the race.
     
    #7
    karlos5001 and Ron like this.
  8. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2011
    Messages:
    13,673
    Likes Received:
    4,680
    Sorry for the size of this post!!

    Tomorrow we have the Lincoln, the seasonal curtain opener for the flat, a handicap over the straight mile which has been won by some very talented horses and some incredibly well handicapped ones too!!

    Tomorrow we have a full field of 22 due to go to post, so lets have a look at a few angles into the race.

    Age is often a barrier

    Four year olds have won the last four runnings of the race, and are ten wins from the last twenty runnings of the race. Interestingly you would expect that a large proportion of the field would be four year olds in those renewals to reach that number, however only the 2019 renewal in the last five runnings had a high percentage of four year olds (8 from 19 that ran).

    Four year olds have also done well in the other places for the race, with the 2016 and 2017 renewals having four year olds in first and second place. The rest of the races have been won by five (5) and six (five) year olds in the last twenty runnings.

    As such you can probably discount - Librissa Breeze, Scottish Summit, Born To Be Alive, Kynren & Graphite for being seven years old or older.

    This years race entries is dominated by four year olds, with eleven set to take part, as such I think the majority of the study needs to be about these runners.

    Profile of winners

    I have looked at the number of runs, the age horses first raced, the number of runs in handicaps and the career win rate for the last four winners, all of which were four years old. This is interesting as it splits the winner profile quite neatly between regularly raced horses and those who have started their career later and are more unexposed.

    In 2019 and 2018 we had two very impressive winners who were lightly raced, (4 runs and 6 runs) and had started racing as three year olds. In 2019 the winner had only raced in one handicap previously, whilst in 2018 the winner had raced in three handicaps. Both horses had won three races in their careers with strike rates of 75% and 50% respectively.

    However the winners in 2017 and 2016 had both run over ten times (13 and 17) and had begun racing as two year olds. In 2017 the winner had only raced in two handicaps (raced in graded races) whilst in 2016 the winner had run in six handicaps. They had won a smaller proportion of their races (7% and 17%).

    So you are either looking for a horse who has untapped potential and is potentially leniently treated (maybe started racing at 3) or a horse that is battle hardened and/or finally finding their feet in big field handicaps.

    So this year that makes it very interesting. I would split the runners into -

    Unexposed - Haqeeqy, Brentford Hope
    Exposed - Johan, Dashing Roger, Ascension

    with Brunch, Grove Ferry, River Nymph, Danyah,, Eastern World fitting towards the latter group (all run four or more times in handicaps)

    Man Of The Night fits in between groups with eight runs but only three in handicaps and only one victory in his career (on debut)

    Interestingly all of the four year olds started their careers at two.

    So Haqeeqy and Brentford Hope are interesting on the unexposed angle, but they fall down on the next aspect.

    The Draw

    The Lincoln has been won by horses drawn 17,10,20,22,15,3 in the last six renewals, with second places of 22,9,2,2,6,22 and thirds of 14,11,21,18,19,20. Bearing in mind that the maximum field is 22, you are seeing lots of runners drawn in the top four stalls going on to win/place.

    3 winners from 24 (6 races)
    8 places from 24 (6 races)

    Haqeeqy is drawn 10 and Brentford Hope is drawn 3. It looks like the draw is a negative for both on the last six runnings.

    So to concentrate on those drawn high you would be looking at Dashing Roger (22), Man Of The Night (21) and Eastern World (19).

    The selection for me is Man Of The Night, who ran a decent race at Wolverhampton on his return. This son of Kingman won very takingly on his juvenile debut, but he hasn't been found to be as good as the yard had hoped. He is lightly raced (8 runs) and importantly for me he has shown enough to suggest that he could improve further for fast raced mile + handicaps.

    EW @ 16/1 - 5 places


    The Brocklesby
    the first big juvenile race of the season, and it interests me for the breeding industry aspect and the importance of siding with trainers who know how to ready a horse for the race.

    Trainers

    The race has multiple trainers who have won it in the last decade - Fahey (2019, 2017, 2010) Johnston (2016, 2015) Bill Turner (2013, 2011) with single wins for Channon, Carroll, Dixon and M Easterby in the timescale. As such I think its important to focus on runners from those yards and potentially the yards who are new to the game.

    Richard Fahey has Vintage Clarets. Mick Channon has Wonderful World and then you've got trainers like George Boughey and William Stone too.


    Age is still relevant

    All of these are two year olds, so why should we look further than that? Well from the last eleven runnings we have had five winners foaled in February with a further three in March (1 in January and 2 April), so its important to have an early foal who has had more time to develop.

    Vintage Clarets is a March (2/3/19) Foal
    Wonderful World is an April (20/4/19) Foal

    Others -

    February - Kenyan Commander
    March - Black Hill Storm, Graftonat
    April - Makalu, Chipotle, Muskateer Three, Dashing Rat, Forca Brasil,


    So on those dates you would be looking at Kenyan Commander and then Vintage Clarets, Black Hill Storm and Graftonat.


    Kenyan Commander - Mark Walford is 4 from 49 with 2 year old runners in his career. This horse is by War Command (11% strike rate with juveniles) out of a five furlong winners. He is bred to be forward and he is an early foal. He however comes from a yard not renowned for early types and I think others will be stronger.

    Black Hill Storm is another bred to be an early juvenile, being by Coldovil (12%) and is related to sprint winner. He is from David Evans' yard which is known for early types and they have to be respected. On jockey bookings though I would have him as the second choice for the yard and I think I prefer others.

    Graftonat is the other David Evans runner, he is by Heeraat (6%) out of a mare who won as a two year old. She is ridden by Sean Levey who I assume is jocked up on the first string (much better jockey). I think this horse can be overlooked too on breeding.

    That leaves Vintage Clarets who is by first season sire Ardad, who was a high class sprinter who won the Flying Childers as a juvenile. His grandsire is Kodiac (13%) who has had high class juveniles and is a respected sire of early juveniles. Vintage Clarets is half brother to Morache Music and Never Lose who are both good horses in context of this race and Vintage Clouds is probably by a better sire (Sleeping Indian/Diktat for the others).


    Therefore this race is all about Vintage Clarets for me and I am shocked that he isn't the market leader.
    Win @ 10/3 (William Hill) and at Betfair Exchange SP
     
    #8
    Pilgrim, redcgull, SwanHills and 8 others like this.
  9. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    48,626
    Likes Received:
    16,139
    I've changed my mind

    Sticking with Haqeeqy. Has produced the best times and going forecast is "Good"

    But I'm replacing the others by Eastern World, who has a race fitness advantage, having won in a good time (comfortably) after a 156 day break and a gelding op
     
    #9
  10. stick

    stick Bumper King

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2012
    Messages:
    18,712
    Likes Received:
    10,951
    So Nass, based on the last six runnings you rule BRENTFORD HOPE out because of the draw. He is drawn 3, six years ago the winner came from stall 3..! Interestingly seven years ago the winner came from stall 3 also. Based on the stats over the last 7 years he has the plum draw????
     
    #10
    gazboy likes this.

  11. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2011
    Messages:
    13,673
    Likes Received:
    4,680

    My issue with low draws would be like we saw in 2018 where they went across to the far rail, if they do that again you wouldn’t want to be on a Jamie Spencer horse would would have to find luck in running or switch around the field. If they do what they did in 2019 and arrowhead down the middle then it wouldn’t be such a negative, but the percentage call with regards recent runnings is to be with those drawn high as they are unlikely all the come across stands side and prevent horses from getting clear runs.
     
    #11
  12. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2011
    Messages:
    13,673
    Likes Received:
    4,680
    And also the pace is high to medium too, which I think is always an important aspect to these races, the horses likely to tow them along are Dashing Roger, Grove Ferry and Johan with Graphite, Born To Be Alive and Eastern World all likely to be pushing it along too.

    The latter for me is a massive danger, but I can’t back a horse returning from a victory/run in Meydan.
     
    #12
  13. Ste D

    Ste D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2011
    Messages:
    5,696
    Likes Received:
    2,846
    The calvary charge back already :eek:
     
    #13
    Pilgrim, redcgull and karlos5001 like this.
  14. Reebok

    Reebok YTS Mod
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Messages:
    8,186
    Likes Received:
    2,859
    Posting Saturday's Telly Tragedies early to give you all chance to swerve!

    Newb
    250 Good Ball NAP
    325 Rose Of Arcadia

    Don
    200 Father of Jazz
    235 Artistic Rifles
    310 Scottish Summit ew 28-1 currently AND Haqeeqy :)
    345 Mr Lupton

    Kemp
    145 War Leader - 200-1 for a reason, but he's in my tracker, so got to keep the faith!
    215 Dark Pine

    Good luck all <ok>
     
    #14
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2021
  15. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    48,626
    Likes Received:
    16,139
    Timeform Ratings for the Lincoln

    upload_2021-3-27_1-25-43.png upload_2021-3-27_1-27-46.png
     
    #15
    karlos5001 likes this.
  16. Grade One

    Grade One Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2017
    Messages:
    2,839
    Likes Received:
    1,976
    Morning

    2.00 Doncaster-Qaysar

    Each Way @ 28-1 [Betfred]

    Won only time over this CD
     
    #16
    Ste D and karlos5001 like this.
  17. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    54,096
    Likes Received:
    58,810
    Last time I backed the winner of the Lincoln was Michael Stoute’s Stream of Gold 16 years ago. Looked like the proverbial Group horse in a handicap, though I don’t think that turned out to be the case.

    In the days when I bet regularly, the early weeks of the flat were a perfect opportunity to lose any winnings you might have accrued at Cheltenham. That won’t apply to me this year as I lost at Cheltenham (that never used to happen).

    I learned the hard way, the veracity of the old maxim about not betting on the flat till after the Craven meeting. I used to love a trip to Newmarket for The Craven; but my abiding memory of that meeting is watching Raven’s Pass get beat by Cecil’s Twice Over.


    So, back to this years Lincoln. Who wins? No idea; what sort of lunatic makes predictions about 21 runner flat handicaps? Will probably back Roger Varian’s Ascension. Handicapper in a handicap, this one.
     
    #17
    Ron, LG, SwanHills and 3 others like this.
  18. karlos5001

    karlos5001 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    1,600
    Good morning all. A little ew Lucky 15 on the flat at Donny for me.
    2.00 Father of Jazz
    2.35 Arctic Vega
    3.10 Ascension
    3.45 Just Frank
    Have a good weekend gents, all the very best with yours :emoticon-0148-yes::emoticon-0167-beer:
     
    #18
    CaptainPops, Pilgrim, Ron and 2 others like this.
  19. CaptainPops

    CaptainPops Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    1,437
    Morning all...bets today:

    Doncaster 3.10pm Ouzo 25/1 each way 6 places. Finished off last season in style winning a big field handicap at York with 2nd placed horse proving he s pretty decent. Has finished close to horses like Bell Rock and seems to handle big fields well. He is drawn high and hopefully will be ridden prominently. I think he can finish in the frame at a big price.

    Newbury 3.25pm Lilly Pedlar 9/1 each way 4 places. Put in quite a promising effort at Taunton last time out to a mare who recently took her chance at the festival. That was on heavy ground which I don't think suited and on today's good to soft ground this will be much more to her liking. I think this has been the aim for a while - big chance and my strongest bet of the two.

    Good luck all! :emoticon-0167-beer:
     
    #19
    karlos5001 and LG like this.
  20. poshfan

    poshfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2011
    Messages:
    578
    Likes Received:
    316
    Keeping off the flat while plenty of national hunt racing
     
    #20
    karlos5001 and redcgull like this.

Share This Page