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Takeover (Covid-19/20)

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by RobEllious, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. Tobes

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    Yeah you have, you’ve missed the rather salient bit about them being completely separate Ltd companies who generate their own commercial revenues.

    City selling shirts and having Abu Dhabi sponsorship affects their bottom line and no one else’s.
     
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  2. Welshie

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    I'm confused what your point is Roland, are you suggesting Burnley get a share of Citys revenue, or the Premier League receive a cut of Citys revenue?
     
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  3. Roland Deschain

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    PL benefit from every clubs activity either directly or indirectly.

    There’s an element of reciprocal cash from tv deals.
     
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  4. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    Got a bangin headache tbh, Newcastle takeover chat is not a cure
     
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  5. Roland Deschain

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    Point in my opinion is it serves the PL better to allow the takeover, but they need to make a show of the piracy accusations. And rightly so to be fair. I just think it should fall in our favour.
     
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  6. Welshie

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    I think its nearly an impossible task for NUFC to prove that the PIF is not directly ran by the Saudi state as it is a downright fact.

    I think the potential new owners thought they'd get around it by putting Amanda and her fella as the people running the deal, but it didn't fly.

    Super lawyer or not, you're basically arguing that the way things are isn't what it seems and that its a conspiracy. Which it isnt.
     
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  7. Schlem Boogerman

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    So we're going down and still getting took over?

    Are we selling all of our best player when we go down?
     
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  8. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    <cheers>
    my preferred manager <laugh> Howay man if you want to drag a response out of me, at least get some proper bait
     
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  9. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Absolutely no need for it and he’s a notoriously difficult manager to follow because he sets up to stop the opposition, buys players accordingly. The likes of Klopp, Nagelsmann and modern managers prefer to do their own groundwork rather than unpicking someone with completely different ideas.

    All it will do is delay progress. We’ve got to decide what we want. It’s so long since Rafa achieved anything notable too, time to move on.
     
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  10. Geordieginola

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    True and I accept your points here but who else would take it?

    Eddie Howe is available. Still!
    Steven Gerrard?
     
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  11. Rafman

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    Nagelsman has been wanted by Chelsea for ages. Marsch could be heading to Celtic.

    Rafa isn't going to go upstairs after a couple of years, he's already stated that he wants to manage club football for another decade. Then move on to managing national teams.
     
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  12. Rafman

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    Gerrard only has eyes for Liverpool.

    Howe wants a job in the South ie Palace, Southampton.
     
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  13. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Depends who owns the club and what they are proposing to spend. You can persuade anyone with money and a project. Loads of top managers all around the globe who’d love to try the PL. I’ve mentioned before South America have loads of good coaches like Gallardo. There are a lot of coaches and other clubs keep appointing these modern managers so I’d simply like that change for us. It matters not though, you have to change the top first and work down. People like the PIF I assume would throw money at it and look to get the best.

    Even if you do want to take steps, you need to do it like Man City. So you have a Mancini and Pellegrini going into preferred choice of Pep. Similar traits and styles. If you commit to Rafa, which is a policy you could adopt, you’d be better off following up with similar types of defensive coaches. I prefer attacking football is all.
     
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  14. Dr Van Helsing

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    You championed Bruce.
     
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  15. Rafman

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    PIF have already said they will spend money on the academy and training facilities and give us 40 million to spend. We're not going to out-buy everyone.

    Would Rafa really want another Championship run on his CV? After managing us and in China, his stock is the lowest its ever been, does he really want yet another rebuilding job?

    He has said he wants a young team that he can develop over a few years, but they must be competitive and he is looking at the top leagues.

    His side has been dismantled by Bruce and all his good work has been undone.

    We were lucky to win the championship last time, its a lottery down there, most PL teams don't come back up. Its a big risk.

    Rafa has already turned down Bournemouth this season. A team that he would in all likelihood be managing in the Premier League next season.

    He already has an offer from Napoli which he isn't best pleased with. Valencia are interested in him and could be taken over soon and there's Celtic. There's going to be more casualties soon enough. I don't think Rafa will be back here any time soon.
     
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  16. Geordieginola

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    Slow
    build up is the way forward. The infrastructure needs to be there. Its why I don’t necessarily think relegation would be that bad. Because it eases the burden of a quick fix.

    I personally would take on someone like Lampard who’s been at both a smaller club learning the ropes but has been stung at Chelsea.

    He would be able to draw the players. He is also a new breed type manager.

    He also wouldn’t have the pressures of immediate success.

    Would he move north?
     
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  17. Roland Deschain

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    So just to pick this nonsense apart.....

    We may have been fortunate to win the Champ, we were easily promoted though. Bournemouth aren't looking like a PL team right now, they're not even in the play-off spots. Celtic/Valencia/Napoli are all dead rubbers, either very limited or debt-ridden. He's the number one choice of AS and her consortium. There are no other decent jobs he's going to get. He's holding out for the NUFC project, so I think as it stands - pending this arbitration - it's a matter of when, not if.
     
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  18. Roland Deschain

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    Mate, all I know is I'm waking up every ****ing day and Ashley, Charnley, Bruce are still living, breathing and somehow infecting Newcastle United. There's a darkness to the club that shows no sign of lifting. Once it does, I'll join you in theorising about who could take this club forward, but for now we're just sat in the freezing cold staring at the abyss.
     
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  19. Rafman

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    What if we don't go back up straight away?

    You've got Stoke, Reading, QPR, Barnsley, PNE, Bristol City with Billionaire owners. Then you have well run clubs like Middlesbrough, Bournemouth, Brentford, Cardiff. Throw in Sheff Utd and West Brom/Fulham.

    I don't think it's going to be easy at all.
     
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  20. Rafman

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    Rafa has given in depth interviews explaining the Valencia situation and has stated his terms for going back. They are also in talks to be taken over. He has said both Napoli and Valencia are underperforming and it saddens him. He has said he follows both these clubs very closely and when he gets linked to a club, he does full on analysis of the club.

    He has said, he doesn't care about the financials of a club as long as they can compete. He wants a more youthful side as since he has been in China he likes the idea more of developing for the future and setting up the groundwork to compete. Something which ADL has said he wants Rafa to do at Napoli.

    He has also stated he's well aware that there aren't many options available. So is looking more wide scale. As long as he believes in the project he has no problems.

    That's where the issue was here, he didn't believe in the project. If Ashley wasn't so pissed off at Rafa being more popular than he was, and gave him what he gave Bruce, he would still be here with Rondon.

    He may well be PIFs first choice and has direct contact with Staveley, but we're looking at months. The takeover might not go through until after the start of next season. Rafa will already have a club by then. He will probably be at a new club by June.

    You say there's no decent jobs available, but both Celtic and Napoli will be in the Europa league next season. Mourinho is on the verge of being sacked. Hodgson is stepping down at the end of the season or so he says. Hassenhutl is on a sticky wicket at Southampton. Then there's teams abroad.
     
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