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Wyke to Boro rumour ...

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Smug in Boots, Mar 16, 2021.

  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    It's all just guesswork from me, I don't know much about contracts, etc.

    What I do know is that we're a club with hunger and ambition, if people really want to leave 'for a few dollars more' it's adios from me.
     
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  2. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    No manager outside the Premier league could sell their team better than we can, just as long as we're in the same league as the team we are competing with.
    We are bigger than most clubs outside the Prem, with huge ambition now we've been taken over. Who else can compete with playing infront of a packed stadium aswell, not to mention state of the art training facilities??
    Our only stumbling block is not being in the Championship next season, because that will have a huge say in who we can sign and keep next season.
     
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  3. rb92

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    I can’t see the club offering contracts out until it becomes clear what division we are in next season. As far as I’m aware the players who are out of contract can talk to foreign clubs but not English ones until July 1st. I’d like to see a few players offered new deals before then but perhaps those at the top are wary of upsetting team morale.
     
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  4. Southern A

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    pretty sure he's out of contract isn't he?
     
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  5. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    Im not sure mate, he could be. If thats the case we'll get feck all for him then.
     
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  6. He's out of contract at the end of June mate. Mind you,we don't have any info on whether there are options on either side.
    Difficult situation to manage,and Wyke isn't the only one.
    It's certainly something the mag journos and others will use to piss on our chips.
    Charlie's agent will also be at it.
     
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  7. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    Im more concerned about keeping ONien to be honest.
    His performances, versatility and attitude cant have gone unnoticed from other teams.
     
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  8. Southern A

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    Johnson explicitly said nobody would be offered contracts until end of season didn't he? I may be wrong.

    Even if I'm not wrong, I can see that position changing, especially for the form players.

    But you have to wonder, if Wyke and O'Nien get offered contracts - is that then going to piss the likes of McGeady and Maguire off that they're not being offered them? Part of me thinks they're big boys and should get on with the job... but...

    Is locking down O'Nien and Wyke, when we should still be in the driving seat to keep them in the summer if we get promoted, worth the risk of derailing a tightly knit squad with momentum? And if we don't get promoted, would we expect to keep them anyway?

    You then have the more practical logistics as well. Wyke's salary in championship versus league one is going to be completely different. As is O'Nien's. So we have to wait until we know what league before we offer. We can't just pay them championship wages now and hope.
     
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    There's no chance he's not playing in the championship next season. I'm confident with him that if we get promoted he stays and if we don't he goes. And nobody could blame him.

    Especially if the likes of Watford or Luton come in for him - considering he could live back near home with his mates. Both those clubs are within 10 miles of his home. If we got promoted I'd expect him to stay with us above them, but wouldn't expect him to stay if we didn't and they wanted him.
     
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  10. superlamb

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    He's in the form of his life but in league one, IF we go up he will be no more than a squad player with us, we will need better if we want to keep progressing through the leagues.
     
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  11. flandersmackem

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    I'm pretty confident that LJ will keep those he wants to keep, if any leaves....so be it,
     
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  12. I think we're in a difficult situation,but,I'm confident that under the new regime we will have proper football people in charge,who will know the players and the market.
     
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    I'm sure there's a 12 month option on the table, I think both he and the club have the option to extend, but obviously if there's an offer on the table we need to look at it. If he gets us promoted I'd take a decent offer for him, I think L1 is his level, and LJ has managed to get the best out of him, where PP couldn't do owt with him. We will need much better players than Charlie to compete in the Championship ( if we get there)
     
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  14. Smug in Boots

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    I agree for many reasons, not least that we've been taken for mugs so many times before.

    Agents and players need to know our contracts aren't just scraps of paper they can use for their own benefit.

    Lets build in good bonuses and encouragement but sell on clauses, etc.

    If people want to use the club as a stepping stone that's fair enough but we need to benefit ...

    ... in reality progressing is vital to that as fire sales rarely raise enough to cover your losses.
     
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    Was just going to type the same thing. If we go up we need to be looking at better quality. He’s on a good run at the minute, but it’s taken a few years for him to show any kind of form. Players like that may be good enough to keep you up in the Championship but we should have higher expectations than that.
     
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    Great news if that's the case and completely agree with everything you've written. I wouldn't like to lose him on a free when he's on form and we stay in League One, but I'd back us to replace him well now either way. And if we get promoted I'd want him to be second choice striker anyway.
     
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    What a turn around with our opinions, 4 months ago we would have been lining up to give him a lift there. Well done Charlie and LJ for the turnaround.
     
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    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    ok Charlie has a lot of goals, but without McGeady how many would he have, to me the biggest signing we could make would be Jones. We have already seen what he can do, and McGeady is invaluable as a supply machine and goals from nothing, but we have yet to see our new striker in action could be gold or not, and 09 must have a contract start dishing the few out now and there will be trouble and animosity, as many have said leave it to the season end and the professionals will deal with it and i am happy with that scenario
     
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    I think that's very likely. Getting to the time now when agents are wanting security for their out of contract players. I wouldn't be surprised if O'Nien's agent does the same.

    There are many things in our favour.
    1) Wyke is a confidence player, and he will recognise how much he's improved under Johnson's coaching. Moving to work under another coach would be a gamble.
    2) The structured business plan in place under KLD, and the potential money available for team and academy strengthening.
    3) The happy camp we've got now, where all the players are up for the fight and walking around with smiles on their faces for the first time in ages
    4) How as a club we appear to be on an upturn for the first time since Sam left
    5) Our excellent facilities, some of which are or will be upgraded

    We've got a lot to offer.
     
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