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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tuesday 9th March)

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  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member
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    Good Morning. It's Tuesday 9th March, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road

    Wasteful Leeds rue mistakes

    A sloppy challenge in the penalty area by Luke Ayling set West Ham on their way to their 14th win of the season, and extended Leeds run without a win in England's capital to 1185 days (but who's counting).

    Jesse Lingard's surging run, impressive as it was, was not troubling the the well fortified Leeds defence until Ayling stuck out a leg; then the former red (in true Manchester United style) went to ground. Meslier initially saved Lingard's spot kick; but could only palm the ball in front of the England International, who tucked it away with ease. Surely it would not have been too difficult for the Frenchman to tip he ball around the post, or at least to the side?

    This is the 9th spot kick Leeds have conceded this season. The most of any Premiership club. Looking back over the season - how many of these were soft?

    Up until that point Leeds had been on top. They had two goals chalked off, the first for offside by the smallest of margins, but in true Leeds Utd style, we concede soft goals.

    The Eastenders doubled their tally on 28 minutes. An in swinging corner was met by defender Craig Dawson. The central defender flung himself in front of the Leeds defence giving Meslier no chance.

    Dawson almost got on the score sheet again minutes later from another corner. This time the post spared Leeds blushes.

    The second half was far more even. Only poor finishing from Bamford and Raphinha, more reminiscent of scoring in Rugby Union saved West Hams clean sheet!

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    When will Klich be dropped?

    Since arriving back on loan from FC Utecht in the Summer of 2018, the Polish International has been an absolute revolation. Not only that, he has missed the least amount of games out of anyone else in the squad. However, the 30yo has been off form for the last three months, and whilst competition is thin on the ground, his performances are getting worse.

    Surely, if a player is not playing well, he should be dropped allowing for new blood to be given an opportunity?

    How bad are his performances? WhoScored, a reputable website who provide data to most betting companies place Klich in 15th place within the Leeds Utd squad on their average performance.

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    Sloppy and unacceptable


    Leeds have conceded more penalties in the Premiership than any other team (9). The Whites have also conceded more goals than anyone else in top flight from set pieces (14).

    Would you expect this from a World renowned Manager? These are things that far lesser teams (and Managers) get right by organisation, discipline and training ground repetition.

    Yes, Bielsa has got us into a strong position, but he has been given significant monies to get us here!

    Agree or not?

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  2. ristac

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    Morning all....

    I think we have to accept our attackers got off to a good start this season but as we entered the final third (of the season) it’s obvious they do lack the quality needed in the PL.

    On defending it’s Grayson all over again, I remember a few saying if only Grayson would employ someone like Radebe as a defensive coach. I believe we’ll do enough to stay up. I think with the right recruitment and with Bielsa here for another season and IF we can hold on to Raphinha our realistic ambition next season will be 10th

    Sadly we’re a bit further away than I’d originally believed, Bielsa needs Bamford as he defends from the front and he’ll always cost us points with missed chances
     
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  3. hemase

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    Morning all,

    For the first time I can honestly say VAR has killed my interest in football. When other var decisions have gone against this season I have gotten angry. Last night I lost all interest in the match after that awful VAR decision. I knew exactly how the game was going to go after that. Outplay them for the most but give away silly goals and ultimately lose.

    I am not saying we would definitely have gone onto win but goals change games and we were on top at that point. Going behind fell right into the Moyes game plan and that was that.

    Game is quickly being killed by VAR.
     
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    I like klich but he’s out of form... we look better with Dallas in the middle and more a threat going forward with Alioski at left back...In theory it weakens us defensively but on yesterday’s evidence gives us more control of the game.

    we looked like we’d got better at set pieces but were back to our worst yesterday... maybe we’re more secure with a big lump like struijk playing. Inexperienced keeper doesn’t help here either. But yes bielsa needs to sort it out.

    West Ham weren’t happy with how they played, or how they were allowed to play... we didn’t get the breaks yesterday, some bad luck some self inflicted. We go again.
     
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  5. Doc

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    Morning all :emoticon-0148-yes:

    The crux of all the problems listed is not the manager its the quality of player available. Lets be honest here we concede more penalties because of defensive errors and Ayling has been responsible for a few. Hes a great player but at times a liability at the back. Struijk has screwed up but a kid learning his craft. Cooper has been responsible....

    Klich plays because hes the best we have in that position and when he underperforms maybe he needs a rest and hes still got an underlying hip injury.

    Why do we concede so many set piece goals, well we dont have huge CBs like WHU and we have played all season without fielding our best team. Ayling lost his man again last night for their second

    the team we see now will not be the team in another 2 seasons. This Summer we will see a few of the Championship team leave and be replaced and then next Summer we will see a few more go and be replaced. Pointless going for wholesale changes now, but a gradual swap-out needed. Some of our team are not good enough at times and Bamford could and should have had us all feeling better this morning, but he had 3 easy chances last night and made himself look silly. He was also robbed of another goal by VaRand even if that one had been allowed I believe we would have settled down and gone on to at least get a draw. That sublime through ball from Llorente which split the defence and found Bamford who ..........
     
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    But..... The Linesman gave the offside, he also called the ball out of play (which it was and it was poor of Raphinha to have allowed it). Without VAR neither would still have been awarded. VAR was checked to see he’d made the right call. I thought the offside was dubious but the fact the linesman called it meant it still would not have counted VAR or no VAR so I don’t see why we are blaming it?
     
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  7. hemase

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    I think I saw the best description of Klich on twitter last night. He looks like a punch drunk boxer whose taken a fight or two too many.

    I looked at the clock the first time I actually realised he was on the pitch. 35 mins & 37 seconds. We looked so much better when Dallas moved into midfield.

    I hate to say as he will always be a Leeds hero but he needs replacing in the summer.
     
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    And that is something I would have moaned about for about five minutes and then moved on. That is what we all did for years watching football.
    Because of VAR that annoyance has been amplified. Without it we wold have looked at a couple of replays and grumbled a bit. But they start drawing lines and we are wound up even more.
     
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    One final thought on our quality and the goals we concede. Every goal we have conceded this season even from a corner, free kick or whatever started with a pass that didnt find its target. Last night Cooper for example sent passes short which were intercepted sent passes wide of mark and these misplaced passes just sees the ball coming straight back at us and thats when we see a huge hole in the middle because we have moved forward as an attacking unit only to try and go into reverse. Llorente I thought was very good last night but even he had 2 bad passes that came straight back, too many drom Klich, Dallas, Alioski Costa. Better quality players means fewer bad passes means few times the ball comes back and obviously means better goal completion as passes find their target in attack, unlike last night again
     
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    We had a few games earlier in the season where every chance went in, which is most un like us, even bielsa commented that it couldn;t last. Normal service has now been resumed. Paddy has done great for us this season, he takes up great positions and makes good runs, works tirelessly as first defender... but the misses are stacking up now.

    The first goal is so crucial and we're making it really hard for ourselves by not taking chances and giving soft goals away. I don't recall a single chance West Ham created in open play yesterday - i'm not counting speculative long range efforts and shoot on sight policy of benrahma. These are not the games you should be losing, but it's Leeds under Bielsa. Would people trade mid table in prem, often dominating teams but messing up - for mid table in the championship?
     
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    Well said pal
     
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    We are definitely tired. At the beginning of the season, we were pinging passes, mostly in triangles. We were everywhere. That has disappeared...
     
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    He has probably played 60 games in a row. Drop him for three weeks. Send him o holiday to er... Brazi.... Bradford...
     
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    Milky is correct yet stupid pundits carry on talking about Bielsa doesnt know how to defend, or with Leeds you get 6-6 results because they cant defend and loads of bollox like that. Yet the aim if Bielsaball is simple. You attack and when attacking you have the ball which means the opposition cant attack you. If the game is being played in the opposition half for 65% of the time it means the opposition only have a 35% chance to attack your goal. We have full backs who are wing backs and CBs who can carry the ball and make a pass. We move forward as a unit and play triangles all the way from front to back. Every player is coached to tackle back immediately not allowing an opponent to settle and Bielsa coaches his players on man for man marking everyone. So what the fk are pundits talking about because everyone defends when they are not attacking. Uselessex players who dont understand that football is not an orthodox way to play. Having better quality players means you can look like Man City who do A version of Bielsaball and City take more of their chances and dont concede goals. Keepball wins when done better
     
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    VAR is killing my interest in betting.:(
     
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    Wow - a must listen to

     
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    Just looked at WHU player ratings and Dawson gets a 10 and Fabianski gets 9 so a big CB and Keeper gets highest praise because they defended well and kept a clean sheet plus the big CB bullied our defence and scored. Our keeper saved a penalty but only marked as a 7. Their striking unit averaged 7.5 and they had hardly any attacks and our was marked as 6 with Bamford at 4.5 yet we attacked non stop.
     
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    Is it killing your interest in ale too?
     
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    I thought with the messiah coming back we'd hammer the hammers.:grin: I know I've been a bit negative recently, but when will the we are safe brigade wake up. If one win in five doesn't set alarm bells ringing then nothing will. I'm nervous because IMO this first season in the Premier is actually more important that our Championship promotion because staying up is crucial. We have so much to lose. <ok>
     
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    Nothing would kill my interest in ale, unless they put it up to 20 a can, but I'd just drink less.<ok>
     
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