Off Topic OLOF's political thread

Yeah as the actual Nurses union arguing the case for its members is political by its very nature I suppose

 

Lads after the joke banning of the Dr Seuss books what next, the Mr men books?
Mr Greedy, offensive to an obese person
Mr Skinny, offensive to an anorexic person
Mr Grumpy, offensive to a person with tourettes
Mr little, offensive to short arses, oops dwarves, no small people, tbh **** knows what they call themselves, got into trouble one day for calling one a dwarf.

 

Unions/labour run.... management/I'd say mainly Tory so yeah it'll be dragged into the political arena like it or not started will have to side with the unions Boris will come out and say it's a fair deal....just the same old crap period

 

Mr sunny.... offensive to people living in Spain

 

I would refer you to Ristac’s post at 5.59
Let’s kick the country whilst it’s down
Yeh that’s great
Give the nurses 12.5% and all the others can jump on the band wagon me me me

 

Well it is

 

Time and place for everything and now is not the time
Don’t know if you saw/heard Stamers response to Rishi Sunak’s budget but he was like a fish out of water with his response
Come the hour come the unions
Said it earlier but this is not doing the nursing profession any good whatsoever

 

I’m not vaguely interested in Starmer’s response to the budget, and it’s totally irrelevant to the actual issue in question.

Not doing the profession any good whatsoever is merely your opinion, one you’ve seemingly reached by deciding that nurses have no right being somewhat upset with a 1% pay rise.

Meh.

 

Upset of course they are along with all those people who have lost their jobs or lost their business due to the pandemic
It’s getting a bit George Orwellian in my view

 

Do they deserve a pay rise, ? after all, they haven't had a good year saving peoples lives, well, according to the msm they haven't, thousands of people were dying every day.

 

You are naughty but ?

 

you forgot Mr Playboy offensive to ****ers

 

Agree
What really winds me up is
“Give me the money or I go on strike” in the middle of a pandemic

 

Roll the clock back several weeks, even a week back, not a soul would have said a negative word towards the NHS. In just 48hrs of the nurses moaning about a 1% pay rise and the tide has started to turn. Twitter is full of disgruntled people and that’s the ones who dare speak out.

The NHS and the unions are feeling “let’s make the most of this NHS love, the entire UK are on our side, now is the time to threaten strike action as we want more”.

They are going to seriously misjudge this, we’re still in lock down, many businesses are wondering if they’ll survive, unemployment is Sky high, the economy has been crippled and as 2p has pointed out, now just isn’t the right time to be asking for more.

The bottom line is the NHS want a bigger pay rise because they’ve done their job. What about firemen, police, care workers, shop staff on tills, delivery drivers, bus drivers, anyone who had to go to work as they couldn’t do it from home?

GP’s definitely don’t deserve anything extra, they’ve been available for a phone appointment if lucky. If a pay rise could be given to just those that were dealing with Covid patients then I’d be fine with that but that isn’t possible.

I’d have been all for a one off payment to those who were in A&E and the Covid wards but again, carers, pharmacy staff, ambulance drivers, even shop workers could all ask what about me

 

The government did themselves no favours with the save the NHS on every press conference.
So the unions jump on it, and the ones at the top of the unions will sit pretty win or lose.
As someone said above, everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.
****s the lot of them.

 

My Twitter timeline isn’t full of people begrudging nurses unhappy about a less than inflation pay rise. You know how Twitter works right?

I bet plenty of the ones you’re seeing were out banging their pans with spoons and clapping for our front line nursing staff every Thursday less than 12 months ago, but they’re so groomed and gaslit they’ve already been told that moaning about a 1 pay rise makes nurses a greedy set of twats, as the master says they should be lucky to have a job, and the nation can only afford 1% and not 5%, as they’ve spaffed more than 10 times the amount a 5% rise would cost on a track and trace system that didn’t ****ing work.

Their issue isn’t merely about what they’ve done in the last year either, it’s about the fact that their real time wages have decreased by 3% in a decade when you factor in inflation.

GP’s pay has nothing to do with the nurses pay award in question btw.

Other public sector groups will no doubt have their own pay arguments at some point, but you’ve also conflated public and private sectors workers there.

 

I do think nurses should be paid fairly but they are still within the previous agreed pay deal. This is from last year when the Government hiked public sector pay but didn't include nurses:

"The government has stated nurses are not included in the pay rises as they agreed a separate Agenda for Change three-year deal in 2018, which will result in the average nurse receiving ‘an average 4.4% rise this year’. However, the nursing community has argued the vast majority of frontline nurses are in Band 5 and received just a 1.65% rise in April."

It appears that this deal ends this year so will be renegotiated. It seems that the current deal wasn't very rewarding for Band 5 if the above quote is correct.

It's difficult to be objective when you have close family ties but what Ristac says does make sense. Someone who has lost their job or their business may not have the view that others have about pay rises at this time. I think it does smack of the Unions jumping on the bandwagon.

The NHS needs a root and branch overhaul but it will never happen. Public sector industries are notoriously inefficient. The NHS has grown into one of the largest employers on the planet and hoovers up money at an alarming rate. Not enough of it gets to the front line but how do we improve that without changing the whole thing? We can't keep just throwing more and more money at it. This year, including Covid money, the NHS is costing us just over £200 BN, up over 25% from the previous year.
That is nearly £3000 for every man, woman and child in this country, much more than double that for every tax payer!
Surely out of that the NHS can afford to pay their nurses a fair salary?
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget

It's a huge discussion that can never be had:
Break it up?
Privatisation?

 

From a personal point of view. I'm fortunate that I'm old and only work to get me out of the house but most in the job I don't aren't that lucky. I deliver shopping for a supermarket.
We've been working the whole time. I deliver to the most vulnerable and also those who may have come into contact with an infected person.
As you can imagine our online section is manic, especially in the morning when you have shoppers, warehouse workers and drivers rushing about to get everything done.
As drivers we work from as early as 6am to as late as 11pm, even on a Sunday. The shopping team start at 4am.
We are well paid in the industry at 9.25/hr (drivers get an extra 75p on top)
I'm not comparing what I do to nursing but I just want to point out that there are thousands of other workers who have been doing their bit during the pandemic who aren't paid much above minimum wage.

 

The only thing worse than someone who can’t see is someone who doesn’t want to see
I would have thought you would have realised by now that those on here make their own minds up about things and are lead by no one
By the way I don’t recollect anyone on here calling the nurses greedy twats so go wash your mouth out and come out of that tunnel your in and look at the wider world