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F1 2021 SEASON: NEWS - RUMOURS

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  1. ched999uk

    ched999uk Well-Known Member

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    The contract talk is interesting as surely with the budget cap Merc will be spending a lot less money on the car and still getting same value of advertising back. So contract surely isn't just a salary one it's got to be more about % of sponsorship or tv money and marketing commitments or maybe Lewis want's some of his brands on the car or is calling for better equality within the team? Toto said the other day that there was a curve ball. So it sounds like a request that was a bit out of the ordinary. All very interesting - especially as not much F1 stuff going on at moment :)
     
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    He wants the team principle role once he retires? That would be a curve ball in Toto's eyes :)
     
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    Sounds like Haas are not actually doing anything to their 2020 car other that what is required to meet 2021 regs. They say they are not planning ANY development during the 2021 season. They are 100% focussed on their 2022 car!!!!
    So even if Williams new owners haven't invested massively they should beat Haas.
    I do hope we see Williams start gaining places and finishing in the points.
     
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    Not the most reliable of sources but the Express are reporting that AutosportWeb say "
    Hamilton has seemingly now agreed terms on the length of the contract, the basic salary and bonuses.

    And his new deal also reportedly includes a veto right regarding his choice in a team-mate at Mercedes.

    The contract will see Hamilton sign on with Mercedes until the end of 2022, although Hamilton is said to have an option to extend it for another year."

    I wonder if the Vito was the curve ball and he doesn't want George coming in next year but I can't see him stopping George as that wouldn't look good on him. The 2 year with Lewis an option on a 3rd makes sense from his point of view with new regs in for 2022.
     
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    I actually think the veto is the opposite of what you’d expect and possibly the wrong wording- I think it might be him having more say in who he fancies a challenge against!

    The only veto I think he might make is Max, because I think that immature little pipsqueak wouldn’t be good for any successful environment- he hasn’t learnt the team building elements that multi world champions all tend to have. I’d love to see Lewis go up against him though and just use that experience on a Sunday.

    That said, I know nothing so let’s see if they release any details.
     
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    Really hope Perez breaks the No 2 driver jinx at Redbull.
     
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    If he can resist the usual Red Bull strategy of changing the second cars tyres early to see what they're like for Max then he should be fine. Won't be anywhere near Max pace wise but then virtually no one would be.
     
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    Yep apparently is a Verstappen clause to stop him joining during or after his time at Mercedes... how very Prost of him.

    Not sure if this is the curve ball or what Domenicali said about him wanting a beyond driving role at the team.
     
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    I'm not sure why he wouldn't want Max joining after he retired. I can't see Mercedes domination lasting another 8 years. To allow Max to chase his records down.
     
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    As I understand it, while they are referring to it as a Verstappen clause it's not specific to Max, it is a general veto on choices of teammate.

    Hopefully as the name suggests it was Verstappen they were mainly thinking of though; I would be very disappointed if he ever used any teammate veto to block Russell.
     
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    I agree , if he attempts to veto George , that is bang out of order .
     
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    I can't imagine him vetoing George - imagine the negative publicity he would get - might even lead to him losing his knighthood :)
     
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    I'll be honest. If was running an F1 team, and a driver wanted to have a say in the other seat, I'd tell them flat out no.

    I don't particularly like Max, and don't particularly care to see him at Merc (Russel all the way for me), but that's ultimately the teams choice.

    Hope that's inaccurate.
     
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    Does anyone else think vetoing another driver as your teammate puts you at a psychological disadvantage? Nothing says “I’m afraid of you Max” like refusing to have him as a teammate.
     
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    I’d be stunned if Hamilton is controlling team mates as he’s wiped the floor with everyone pace wise and given he was up against Alonso in his first season, he’s had no problems going toe to toe with multiple world champions over the years.

    He’s always joked about his rivals having “no1 driver” clauses which he’s never asked for. Don’t see why he’d start now.

    I suspect most of his curveballs are around diversity and sustainability.
     
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    I think this veto thing came from an off-the-cuff comment from Damon Hill, and several journalists have debunked it since (but that doesn't make as good a story)
     
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    I don't think it is a psychological disadvantage, I think Lewis likes the challenge of Max in another car. If Max joined Merc, that is when it is a psychological disadvantage. Nico was a good/fast driver but Lewis made him work for his success.
    Lewis is mean too, look at how he backed Nico into the clutches of his rivals in the final year of Nico's career. Lewis would not back off a race with Max, result might be somewhat costly for Merc. I think he is more saying, don't employ him because it will cost you as I, as the defending WDC and GOAT, will not give way and nor will Max so it will never work. And you Merc, need to back me, not him, as I am good for your sales figures.
    A reasonable position to take I think.
     
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    Looks like it’s only 1 year though.
     
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    That is the definite conclusion reading the text. I assume they have not agreed on something post 2022 for what possibly are multiple reasons.
    If they are going to cap driver salaries from 2022 that could be one reason. Merc maybe did not want to give him a veto over the driver line up, Lewis himself has other plans. He has a good chance of obtaining the WDC again this year (not a given tho) but there is no certainty for 2022. If he ends up with 8 WDC, the arrival of George and the challenge of Ferrari and RB may make such a dominance harder to achieve for another driver. Always good to go out at the top. I think the new 4 wheel drive series could be where the fun is going forward. Life is to be lived, as hard and with as much laughter as you can.
     
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