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Match Day Thread Manchester United v Southampton (BT Sport 1 ) - 8 pm 02/02

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by OddRiverOakWizards, Jan 31, 2021.

  1. steve79

    steve79 Well-Known Member

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    Very good point
     
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  2. Libby

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    I'm sure they probably are Saints fans. Nothing to suggest otherwise.

    Plenty of scumbags amongst our support.
     
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  3. davecg69

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    So, as they said on MOTD last night, if Jan (or David Luiz) had cleared the player out in a “genuine attempt for the ball” they would only have been booked?
    Once more - a ****ing stupid rule which needs changing. Common sense - sadly lacking in the days of “celebrity refs” and ****ing VAR .....
     
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  4. tomw24

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    It was designed more to prevent keepers from being sent off. Last night with Bednarek and Luiz just exposed the gaping hole in the rule.
     
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  5. Brinkworth Saint

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    Your last couple of points are bang on the money! Jimmy Greaves would have hardly scored a goal with the present system in place! I'm glad the Club have lodged the request they have re Dean& Mason. But frankly the whole VAR as it is, is complete junk and I totally agree has and will continue to ruin this game. I'm half hoping that grounds will gradually empty post lockdown being lifted because of the supporters disenchantment of the game. We need to make the point and unfortunately, loss of weekly income might, might just begin to change this situation.
     
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  6. Saint Jimmy

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    I thought the rule was designed to not punish a player who hasn’t committed a deliberate foul to prevent a goal or goal scoring chance? The thinking being giving a penalty for a foul that was not deliberate was punishment enough whereas a deliberate foul in that situation warrants more punishment than just a penalty? If that common sense had been applied yesterday then neither Bednarek or Luiz would have seen red?
     
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  7. Saint Jimmy

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    I would never have believed fans not going to matches would never happen as although I haven’t got the same joy from going to matches since var due to not being able to celebrate a goal, the enjoyment I get from the match day experience still made it worthwhile. However right now the cost of a match day added up plus an ever increasingly busy life (covid aside) just does not seem worth it to me.

    that being said I’m just a fickle saints fan and unfortunately think it is inevitable once fans are allowed back I will find myself back in the stands.
     
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  8. ChilcoSaint

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    No, it’s the other way round. As Tom said, it was designed to protect goalkeepers who fouled a player from being sent off as well as giving away a pen, as long as they were genuinely trying to get the ball, hence the term “double jeopardy” for punishing a team far too much for a single offence. The problem is that once something like that is written down in black and white, it gets applied to situations other than those it was intended for, because the people interpreting the law are, by and large, incompetent idiots. As has been said, if Jan had genuinely tried to get the ball with a full-blooded tackle that cleaned Martial out, it would have been a penalty and a yellow card, because that’s what the law says. Being close enough to a player so that he can simulate a foul, however, is not a genuine attempt to play the ball, and is therefore a red card, if you are foolish enough to fall for the simulation.

    And VAR just makes everything worse, because of the “clear and obvious error” subtext. Mike Dean would have had to admit he made a mistake in calling the pen, which he clearly wasn’t ever going to, because he’s Mike Dean, so therefore the red card was inevitable, because Bednarek wasn’t trying to play the ball.
     
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  9. SaintinNZ

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    and I would submit that applying this rule to a case of accidental contact is pure incompetence. Applying it to a case of no-contact is deliberate manipulation of the game.
     
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  10. Saint Jimmy

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    Yes sorry Tom and Chilco don’t think I explained myself well. What I mean was surely the rule was put in place so to not over punish teams as you said so the thought behind the rule was there to prevent something like yesterday resulting in a red - Bednarek had not deliberately fouled Martial so therefore a penalty but no red card prevents “double jeopardy”. The issue is with the way the rule is written and therefore interpreted by refs but my point was if the point of a rule is to prevent an accidental foul resulting in a penalty AND a red card then why on earth have they not just written the rule to say exactly that - a player should only be sent off for preventing a goal scoring opportunity in the box IF the referee deems the foul was deliberate. Even then tbf Mike Dean would have deemed it a deliberate foul
     
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  11. ChilcoSaint

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    Absolutely, and I honestly don’t know why the law wasn’t written that way! I somehow think though, that the likes of Mike Dean would find a way to confuse things however the law was written.
     
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  12. Pelletron

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    I have heard Bundesliga have cracked it this season They have had it almost two seasons longer than us, though.
     
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  13. Brinkworth Saint

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    Thanks for the explanation, once we used to blame refs and linesmen for this or that but probably and eventually took the view they are flawed humans just like all of us. Now to clarify things, technology is being used or not as suits their preference by officials who, as you rightly said, are incompetent twice over. They keep making lousy decisions for all the teams and then create further distrust with their hopeless handling of VAR. Somehow this nonsense has to stop, or players, managers simply won't trust the judgements meted out, and more importantly, supporters will vote with their feet and pockets!
     
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  14. garysfc

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    So Bedders red isn’t going to be rescinded then.
     
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  15. SaintinNZ

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    There is a very real prospect of this IMO. Ref got it wrong, then VAR seemingly got it wrong or Ref got it wrong twice but declined to listen to VAR and every other person around him. Whichever, its a ****ty result for the Refs and officials behind them and they are showing a pattern of finding no fault even finding new reasons to uphold after the fact which IMO is even worse.
     
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  16. Saints Fan4Life

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    Theres me thinking it's safe to watch MOTD tonight, and they show highlights of last nights disaster in the opening montage. Cheers.
     
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  17. saintrichie123

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    It's a hand.

    Vin
     
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  19. Onionman

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    I'll be lifting that phrase for my own use, thank you very much.

    Vin
     
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    I posted yesterday morning that Ralph may choose to put an arm around his shoulders and work him back to good
     
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