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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Jan 27, 2021.

  1. The Changing Man

    The Changing Man Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that Brian
     
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  2. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>
     
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  3. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    No one's available at the moment in terms of being out of a job but guys like Ten Hag, Ralph (Sorry bro @Libby <laugh>) or Nagelsmann would be guys who could at the very least make us enjoyable to watch and who I'd be happy about coming in.

    I also really like Graham Potter, as a bloke and a manager but I think he's probably a bit too risky to take a punt on.
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Is the theory that Joao Sacramento is being groomed to shuffle up the bench a year or two from now still doing the rounds?
     
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  5. PowerSpurs

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    That was one of the worst set of individual performances we have had all season. The first goal needed all of Aurier and Rodon to lose Mane, Davies to keep him on side and Dier and Lloris to leave the ball to each other (although Mane mishit the cross). Five mistakes in one goal. The other two goals were mistakes by Lloris and Rodon. Aside from that, Doherty, Aurier, Lamela and Bergwijn barely did anything good all match. Even with that, Son should have scored when through in the first half.
     
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  6. Left on the Shelf

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    2 mins into the 2nd half after making two enforced changes at half time, Liverpools RWB scores UN-****ING-MARKED in the box! FFS!
    There was so much wrong about that performance, but that one fact... Geeez!!
     
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  7. Spurf

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    As No Kane No Gain said all that moaning about no striker last season and now we sign the one he wants and he doesn't play him. Were losing and Kane is off and we have a world class player on the bench and he goes for Winks and Lamela, did I miss something? Doherty looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights the team seem to have one trick; get it to Son and when that doesn't work we adopt AVB tactics to move the ball as if we are Worthing Bowls Club. Our number 5 is the only one of our players to come away with some credit. Hard to see any good side to that performance from Spurs.
     
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  8. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    <grr>

    He would undoubtedly be better though.


    Edit- errr.... I mean he's ****. Defo don't want him.
     
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  9. Spurf

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    Let's just go for Bielsa and enjoy the football.
     
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  10. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yeah agree, I've been saying that too. He's made himself look really stupid by doing this after his public outcries last season. I'd also understand if Vincius had been ****, but he hasn't, he's just barely been given a chance. Something like 30 minutes of Prem football to his name since joining... Bizarre.
    As Paddy Power said, there's no problem on earth that Winks is the solution too.

    As for Lamela, I've said numerous times that our fans have overrated his impact as a sub. Turns up once every five games, if that. Should've got rid a year or two ago - and certainly not given a new contract when we did.
     
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  11. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Money might talk mate but in a way he'd be silly leaving you lot right now for us. Got a good thing going there and I reckon he'll want to see an end of some sort, possibly European football.
     
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  12. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    You'd think he might want to return the loyalty shown after the 9-0, but I've supported Saints too long to expect anything.

    Would hope for one more season but it depends what offers come up. Might think he's taken us as far as he can with lack of funds.

    He can leave this year if we wins the cup seems a fair compromise tbh, happy to take relegation next :biggrin:
     
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  13. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    The worry - for me at least - with Bielsa is that he's too similar to Poch and I don't think Spurs have enough personnel to play that high tempo game any more.
     
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  14. Billy The Spur

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    As most of us predicted, Dr Tottenham is still alive and well, everything pointed towards a Pool victory and we didn`t disappoint the Dippers. I saw the team sheet and knew what to expect even more so than before, 3 gift wrapped goals and individual errors galore. Dier was shocking and Doherty worse than that, bringing Winks and Lamela on at HT seemed the wrong call and it proved so, Winks was comically tragic when he came on. The Mousers really are our bogey team, who knows what may have happened if Son`s early goal was allowed to stand, but the luck was once again with Varpool. I thought it looked like Allison handled outside the area, but the Pool biased coverage I was watching failed to show a replay, so not sure if that is correct. Atkinson did us no favours, he let the Pool players persistently foul and failed to punish their diving. I am losing patience with Mourinho, but to be fair he has been lumbered with a plethora of ordinary players, Aurier, Doherty, Sanchez, Dier, Davies, Sissoko, Winks, Lucas and Lamela are not good enough, but Mourinho`s refusal to use top attacking players like Dele and Bale is poor management and he is slitting his own throat with odd team selections. If we could defend properly, we would be top of the league, so I am willing to give Mourinho until the end of the season and see where we end up.
     
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  15. Citizen Kane.

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    I would love - genuinely love - a penny for Levy's thoughts right now.

    Thing is, I truly believe he loves the club with all his heart. Grew up watching from the terraces and from a career perspective has poured his heart and soul into raising our profile to one of the biggest clubs in the world. He deserves credit for lifting us out of the post-Scholar and Sugar doldrums and and for navigating us through periods of intense financial uncertainty (one of which we are currently still in the middle of) successfully.

    But this is all - ultimately - on his shoulders. All of it. In one straight line traced all the way back to the end of the 16/17 season when he failed to back the best manager we'd had in the PL era, a line that continued to the day he decided to sack that manager and replace him with a vanity appointment - a man who had dramatically failed at two of our main rivals and had been out of work and overlooked by all of PSG, Real, Juventus, Inter, Dortmund, Bayern and Barca. The who's-who of Europe's elite teams collectively turned their backs on his services. We didn't. And now here we are, with a prehistoric brand of football, zero Plan B and a team that frankly looks lost when up against any opposition above-average.

    A penny for Levy's thoughts.
     
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  16. remembercolinlee

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    This is a rant...so feel free to ignore...

    1. We play a team with no centre backs and manage 3 attempts on goal in 90 plus minutes.

    2. Our best player is injured after 20 mins and is hobbling around but is not replaced until half time possibly making the injury worse.

    3. We are losing but replace the striker with a midfielder...leaving our 3rd striker on the bench.

    4. We go 3-1 down and still do not bring on the striker.

    If this was a one off then fair enough but tbh it ain't.

    We are tedious to watch.
    We have played well over 90 minutes v United, City, Arsenal and Leeds...that is a damning fact.

    We are no better than when Pochettino was sacked.

    I was always against JM being our manager and fail to understand why he was chosen.

    Tonight is just another in the long line of stupid team selections, substitutions and tactics which have cost us.

    We are stuck with him cos Levy won't want to admit he has got yet another managerial decision so badly wrong.

    If it were down to me he'd be sacked tonight.

    In the games from Liverpool away onwards ...

    3 attempts (2 on target) v Liverpool
    They had 14 (7 on target)

    6 attempts (3 on target) v Wolves
    They had 11 attempts (6 on target)

    16 attempts (5 on target) v Palace
    They had 14 attempts (6 on target)

    8 attempts (3 on target) v Leicester
    They had 17 attempts (4 on target)

    20 attempts (7 on target) v Leeds
    They had 18 attempts (5 on target)

    8 attempts (2 on target) v Liverpool (a)
    They had 17 attempts (11 on target)

    14 attempts (5 on target) v Sheff Utd
    They had 15 attempts (5 on target)

    12 attempts (6 on target) v stoke
    They had 7 attempts (3 on target)

    12 attempts (5 on target) v Brentford
    They had 11 attempts (3 on target)

    19 attempts (8 on target) v Marine
    They had 5 attempts (2 on target)

    28 attempts (10 on target) v Wycombe
    They had 6 attempt (2 on target).


    To put tonight into perspective...
    Marine had more attempts on our goal than we managed against a injury riddled Liverpool team.

    Wolves and Leicester had double the number of attempts on goal than us.

    Palace, Sheffield United and Brentford matched us.

    Wycombe had a similar number of attempts v us (6) that we managed against Liverpool (a), Leicester and Wolves.

    If fans were at matches JM would no longer be our manager
     
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  17. BrunelGunner

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    I don't think this is true, RCL. Firstly, the pay-off Levy would have to give him would be outrageous. Secondly, you're in 3 cup competitions, including a final and you're 4 points off the top-4 with a game in hand. Football is a results-oriented business now more than ever, and even if you don't like the style of play or the manager's decisions, objectively speaking, you're not in a bad position at all across all competitions (as it stands).

    I find it hard to believe Mourinho's job would be under threat at this point even with fans back.
     
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  18. Billy The Spur

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    It`s not good enough is it, these dire defensive tactics are not working. We should email this to our illustrious bald leader.
     
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  19. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I was happy that we hired Jose. I said at the time we needed a big name manager to replace Poch and you don't really get bigger than Jose. I was also glad that it was a manager with a different footballing style and philosophy, getting someone too similar to Poch would've felt pretty pointless so all in all, I can honestly say I was happy with Jose's appointment and I won't pretend to say I never wanted him.

    As a person, I've warmed to him too, I've found him funny as **** in certain interviews/ conferences/ BTS stuff but ultimately it's the results that do the most talking.

    His style has generally been "substance over style" and with a few spells aside, we've not had anywhere near the substance needed for the money that he's being paid and the money we've spent on players to play for him. So when there's no substance and no style, it results in a pissed off fanbase. Luckily for Jose - and luckily for us actually - fans aren't allowed at games, it'd be poisonous at the moment, arguably the worst I'll have ever seen in the 15 or so years I've been going down The Lane. As someone who pre-pandemic had only missed around 10 home games (in all comps too), it feels ****ty to say I'm genuinely delighted I'm not going to games at the moment.

    I've said for weeks, even months that I think his squad management is appalling and today further backs up my argument. 1-0 down, our striker has to come off and he brings on truly one of the worst footballers we've had in the last 10-15 years and a player who spends more time on the treatment table than a football pitch. I just can't understand the thought process behind either of those two subs for coming on. Especially when we have another striker sitting there and a player who probably has the next best chance of scoring after the likes of Kane and Son.

    I don't really know what the club can do right now though to be honest, I don't think we can afford to sack Jose, he's on too much money with 2 (I think) years left on his contract but this also can't continue. Caught between a rock and a hard place. I think we'll probably have to live with this til the end of the season before the board may act, unless things go drastically wrong results wise and we lose 4-5 on the bounce. Hopefully we can nick a cup to paper over things but it's really not enjoyable at the moment.
     
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  20. The RDBD

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    Glad I fell asleep (so didn't watch the game) . :)

    Said pre-match what the implications of this game were,
    for both manager and team. Starting XI team sheet told all.

    Years ago I discussed on JA with grandspurs whether Jose
    had it in him to do what he did in the CL with Porto, with a
    lesser PL team,

    The suggestion was that he can, but he no longer has to given
    the financial power of his (then) employers.

    I contend that the answer is actually no, he cannot.
    Spurs are not a club where you can spend silly money to try
    and buy your way out of trouble, Working with most of what
    you inherit for the better is the way it is.
    It was for BMJ. It was for Arry. It was for Pochettino.

    All took the club upwards materially in PL and UEFA land,
    and with a large amount of decent football in the Spurs tradition
    to boot.

    Jose is doing neither.
     
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