Off Topic So, what now?

You are avoiding the points. This is about democracy. The UK voted to leave the EU. The UK Government elected also on the foundation of Brexit wants to deliver what was voted for = To end that continued EU involvement in the UK's economic and legal matters even after the end of the transition agreement period.

The UK voted to free itself from the EU, not to continue being a colony. And that is what opponents want. The UK to continue to be a colony rather than democratic and independent.

 

Think the Government is daring them to do it. Its a negotoating tool. The Republic and UK dont want it. You do it or come up with solutions with us instead of what the EU do. Clever move??

 

He's done it again! Let's try one more time. Why don't you either address the point regarding the border or admit that you're wrong so that we can finally stop this.

 

Sounding like a pantomime act. You did it again. Yes you did. The point is about democracy and its associated control and sovereignty. As it was leading up to the 2016 referendum and ever since. The border is not the real issue its the EU continuing to want to exert control over our democracy and its sovereignty even after a transition period e.g. the EU and its courts to continue ruling on aspects of customs, law, trade and state-aid issues in the independent United Kingdom. The border is the EU's card and the Government has decided it will not play the EU's Empirical game.

Britain voted to cease being a colony of the EU. To be a free nation, not to be bound to the EU for a undefined time (forever). It is about far more than a border.

 

the negotiations within the EU have always followed a similar path as RP says posturing … the EU pre Covid wanted to be a federal state run by unelected "leaders" with subordinate committee's [ elected country governments] like a roman bridge the keystone of this was the UK …
A NEGOTIATION HAS 2 SIDES each side wishes to win or come out with what they want [ ideas might be both sides have similar thought on how to … ] but wont go down without a fight so "threaten" or posture ..

you are a bit like the EU, have lost the main argument, and now trying to run up hill to salvage face!

 

simple to stop it.... don't answer the posts. Sit back and relax in your own space and believe you are right … whether right or wrong... bearing in mind of course on your side is you and on the otherside a few!

 

Don't I know it

As expected we've got absolutely nowhere. I'll be back

 

Who's arguing?
Just my opinion.

 

Our Swindon remoaner reckoned the Honda closure was down to Brexit.

Has anyone told Nissan?
Even more shocking the great news got 20 seconds on the BBC.

 

Isn't that just typical of the BBC though? Is not what they want you to hear......

 

Of course Honda moved because of Brexit. Most of the Civics built there are exported to Europe so it made sense to avoid paying the import duties that were feared at the time the decision was taken.
I suppose the chaos at the channel ports are nothing to do with Brexit either?
Nothing that has happened to date has convinced me that Brexit has been of any benefit to our nation whatsoever. In fact, it’s the biggest own-goal we could possibly have scored - it’s an absolute disaster, but thankfully for the Brexit supporters, Covid came along just in time to take some of the blame for the dire situation we have created for ourselves.
I don’t expect any Brexiteer in these boards or elsewhere to understand.
Despite my utter fury that my way of life and my retirement plans have been scarred by Brexit and I’ve been stripped of my European citizenship against my will and against the will of 48% of everyone who voted, I DO respect the referendum that seduced so many people to ‘take back control’ and really sincerely hope that one day I’ll be proved wrong. Just like I hope to one day win the lottery.
If that ever happens I’ll be on here eating boatloads of humble pie, but it won’t happen. Brexit has been, is, and will be to come, a f-ing disaster that will rip the UK apart and turn an independent England into a second-rate country who everyone else laughs at - or tries to squeeze by way of apology for our colonial past.
We think we’ve escaped the control of the EU? Have we fk. They now have more power than ever before over us and there is NOTHING we can do about it.

Actually I’ve just thought of ONE Brexit success - it’s given RP and 1for a subject they can agree on. Not worth ruining our economy for though.....

 

Touched a nerve R&W?

Thought you liked spicing things up.

 

R&W
5 years ago your first thoughts on Brexit were 'leaning' to leave.
We're you spicing things up from the getgo?

 

RP I spent a long time on the internet, listening to debates, listening to pub debates and TV debates in order to try and understand exactly what Brexit would mean for me, my family and my country in comparison to what we had back then.
I didn’t like the Brussels regime and I was looking for a way out. However, all I found was a great ‘unknown’. Nobody knew what Brexit meant right here on the ground. They still don’t.
I chose better the devil I knew - and lost.
I still wish more people had seen it my way.

 

There was no exactly with the EU. I never understood what the EU exactly meant for myself and my family. I do understand in the industry I work in my wages are depressed due to the EU.

Did people in poorer areas of the Country understand that lack of control over immigration would have the consequences it did for their communities?

Areas like Dagenham have undergone change that the residents could hardly have understood or ever predicted. What Brexit can mean is that now there can be better control of the negative consequences.

 

One thing during all this I couldn't understand was the left wing union barons backing the remain campaign. Conversely I understood why the big bosses of industry backed remain - cheap immigrant labour depressing wages.

 

Thank you for releasing us from the stranglehold that Brussels had over us.
Time to move on and be free to trade with the world without back handers diverting to The Brussels mafia.

 

Its a perverse moral bankruptcy.

“The Irish Congress of Trade Unions is demanding measures to protect particularly unskilled workers where social dumping is threatening jobs. “It is an iron law of economics that an abundant supply of labour pushes down its cost. It is insulting people’s intelligence to pretend otherwise,” it said in a statement. Across Europe, it is clear that we are witnessing large movement of capital eastwards as labour heads west. And this is happening in accordance to the principles of the single European market, which allow the ‘free movement of goods, capital, services and labour’, regardless of the social consequences. Single market rules, therefore, truncate all forms of democracy, including rights to fair wages, working conditions, welfare and social protection and collective bargaining. These EU policies can only mean a continuation of mass migration and, ultimately, feed the poison of racism and fascism, the last refuge of the corporate beast in crisis. To reverse this increasingly perverse situation, all nation states must have democratic control over their own immigration policy and have the right to apply national legislation in defence of migrant and indigenous workers.”

Those controls the EU would never concede. Free of the EU Britain can now reinforce the nation state.

 

Big turn around in union membership. Manufacturing has been ****ed over and jobs gone abroad with working class membership dropping like a stone in unions, white collar membership has gone up. like labour unions are not so pro working class and its the old if we like it and its good for us its good for you even if it ****s you over.